Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Aravell]

I don't really feel like boss fights are a power struggle between us and them, but almost more of a stage play or something.

There do exist some fights that actually feel like a struggle, so they can actually design fights like that. Unfortunately, it's mostly old fights or ultimate phases.

Nael phase in UCoB felt like you were actually fighting someone that wants you dead, Living Liquid in TEA as well, Nidhogg in DSR also felt like he wants to kill you, all very fun phases that incorporate environmental tells, boss tells, player markers and player debuffs.

Meanwhile, TOP does have quite a bit of debuff vomit, which would explain why it's had such mixed reviews.

[vetch]

There do exist some fights that actually feel like a struggle, so they can actually design fights like that. Unfortunately, it's mostly old fights or ultimate phases.

Nael phase in UCoB felt like you were actually fighting someone that wants you dead, Living Liquid in TEA as well, Nidhogg in DSR also felt like he wants to kill you, all very fun phases that incorporate environmental tells, boss tells, player markers and player debuffs.

Meanwhile, TOP does have quite a bit of debuff vomit, which would explain why it's had such mixed reviews.

Kenji Sudo was responsible for most of the really good fights of this type in ARR and HW and he left the dev team after designing UCoB. Seems like the ability to make good hectic fights that build on themselves rather than relying on bespoke DDR megamechanics gradually withered away to a couple times per expansion after he was gone.

[Supersnow845]

Pheonix is another fight that feels like you are fighting a boss who is just vomitting mechanics at you actively trying to kill you not playing a stage play with

Though to be fair most of the coils bosses feels this way (I guess except maybe melusine), but coils barely feels like it belongs in this game anymore

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Debuff vomit mechanics have never been high in my list of well liked mechanics. I have to squint real hard to see those icons. Spotting another's mistake also becomes an issue because of that. They were fine when there weren't as many. At this point though I'm getting sick of it.

[Aravell]

I honestly think that the current design of debuff vomit that instantly wipes everyone when one person fails is aimed at reducing the importance of a good healer.

In E4S, the final bit with small and big Titan is very healing intensive with the Tumults and the Earthen Fury DoT. If people die to damage, it's very obviously the healers fault. Same with Harrowing Hell, it puts a lot of the responsibility on the healers to get their healing right, so people just tank LB it to ignore the problem.

Now, they just design fights so anyone can wipe the party entirely so the healer doesn't have to be made to feel bad.

[ty_taurus]

First thoughts on the benchmark on healers:

Sage seems to have a new attack. It doesn't look like an upgrade of anything already existing, so that's good news.

Astrologian has some sort of buff, but with the rework there's no way to know what to expect still.

White Mage either has a party buff or another heal. Woo...

Scholar also showcased a new attack which is AOE. If I'm being skeptical, it's possible it's an upgrade of Biolysis based on the visuals, which says nothing about Scholar and only indicates that presumably all healers will have their DOT upgrade to be AOE if that's true. If not, then that's a new attack for Scholar as well. EDIT: Upon further inspection, it might be whatever succeeds Broil IV. The visuals are closer to Broil spells than Biolysis. So still nothing as far as new info if that's the case. It does seem AOE, but it could just be because the target is larger.

[Aravell]

Scholar also showcased a new attack which is AOE. If I'm being skeptical, it's possible it's an upgrade of Biolysis based on the visuals, which says nothing about Scholar and only indicates that presumably all healers will have their DOT upgrade to be AOE if that's true. If not, then that's a new attack for Scholar as well. EDIT: Upon further inspection, it might be whatever succeeds Broil IV. The visuals are closer to Broil spells than Biolysis. So still nothing as far as new info if that's the case. It does seem AOE, but it could just be because the target is larger.

I haven't had a chance to see the trailer yet, but I'm going to cope and say that they're giving us Miasma II optimisation back.

[Supersnow845]

That spell looked AOE chain more than anything else to me, I saw a broil cast go off and it wasn’t the same as that gear looking spell

The SCH casts broil at 4.13 it doesn’t look any different to broil 4 then at 4.35 there is the chain/gear ability that has a sound effect halfway between chain and biolysis

[ty_taurus]

That spell looked AOE chain more than anything else to me, I saw a broil cast go off and it wasn’t the same as that gear looking spell

The SCH casts broil at 4.13 it doesn’t look any different to broil 4 then at 4.35 there is the chain/gear ability that has a sound effect halfway between chain and biolysis

There are a lot of old animations being thrown around in the background, including attacks that will absolutely be getting replaced in DT. They do that a lot, it's just to fill the scene.

Also, I had a sinking feeling. It looks like Eos is hovering around SCH as if she were a buff effect rather than a pet. Maybe I'm just reading way too deep into things and I'm crying wolf, but I wonder if they might've finally axed her as a pet.

[rawker]

Also, I had a sinking feeling. It looks like Eos is hovering around SCH as if she were a buff effect rather than a pet. Maybe I'm just reading way too deep into things and I'm crying wolf, but I wonder if they might've finally axed her as a pet.

Oh please no. I might quit if they remove the only pet job in the game.