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  1. #1961
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    And I know what many people here say. "If you wanted something more than healing on a healer, go play a DPS". But those are the people who need to take a hard look at FF14's design. I wouldn't mind a pure healer with virtually no DPS whatsoever... if healing was at all this required.
    And those people need to stop saying that.

    Healers exist in this game and need to be able to accomplish the MSQ in a fun and engaging way.

    Spamming 11111111111111 from level 4 to level 90 Is.Not.Fun.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  2. #1962
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    Yeastyloins's Avatar
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    Yeasty Loins
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    Famfrit
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    Samurai Lv 90
    So I'm curious about the opinions of the healers in this thread: how have you felt healing this current savage tier? Again this is from a DPS's perspective but it seems like there are way more instances that require healing with busters and most raid-wides applying a heavy bleed, multiple hits of damage occurring during high movement phases, and an emphasis on more spot healing at least during P8s p2 with needing to stay more focus on the players that have the Natural Alignment debuff. I would think that would make healing gameplay more engaging at least during prog and on the road to getting Bis gear but I don't play a healer so I don't know if that is true or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    So why is a game that refuses to add any real DPS meter/measuring mechanics, and will ban you for using one yourself, need to have DPS checks this tight anyway

  3. #1963
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    Foraet's Avatar
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    Motata Gotata
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    Maduin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    And those people need to stop saying that.

    Healers exist in this game and need to be able to accomplish the MSQ in a fun and engaging way.

    Spamming 11111111111111 from level 4 to level 90 Is.Not.Fun.
    Bind Dosis to three hotbar buttons and you can simulate the combo. Congratulations, you've now graduated to tank gameplay. And discovered that it feels...about the same. I just know people will get this combo and after they've spent 2 hours adjusting their muscle memory they'll again be complaining that healing is too boring.
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  4. #1964
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Yeastyloins View Post
    So I'm curious about the opinions of the healers in this thread: how have you felt healing this current savage tier? Again this is from a DPS's perspective but it seems like there are way more instances that require healing with busters and most raid-wides applying a heavy bleed, multiple hits of damage occurring during high movement phases, and an emphasis on more spot healing at least during P8s p2 with needing to stay more focus on the players that have the Natural Alignment debuff. I would think that would make healing gameplay more engaging at least during prog and on the road to getting Bis gear but I don't play a healer so I don't know if that is true or not.
    For a time it does but that’s the issue really only for a time. For comparison sake, I would need to use aspected benefic on the NA targets during them first 2 weeks of progging, however as usual gear kicks in. Now I only need to use aspected Helios for healing NA with maybe one or two ogcds on them depending if it’s either a dps or my co healer. Tanks I don’t even need to worry about once I use my aoe heal and then the second half of NA, you’re close enough to the targets that you don’t need to spot heal them anymore.

    They need to do something once the gear kicks in cause remember they are designing the healer around the min ilvl.
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  5. #1965
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraet View Post
    Bind Dosis to three hotbar buttons and you can simulate the combo. Congratulations, you've now graduated to tank gameplay. And discovered that it feels...about the same. I just know people will get this combo and after they've spent 2 hours adjusting their muscle memory they'll again be complaining that healing is too boring.
    "Healing is so boring that if you upgrade it to tank gameplay, it'd still be boring. Somehow I believe this is an incisive gotcha instead of a scathing commentary on how boring healing is."
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  6. #1966
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraet View Post
    Bind Dosis to three hotbar buttons and you can simulate the combo. Congratulations, you've now graduated to tank gameplay. And discovered that it feels...about the same. I just know people will get this combo and after they've spent 2 hours adjusting their muscle memory they'll again be complaining that healing is too boring.
    You're applying a combo-based system to a job that doesn't rely on combos and isn't instant. Maybe you should reconsider your argument, as there are flaws in it that I feel you don't consider in regards to Tanks and their own gameplay. Considering that Tanks have more emphasis on boss positioning and staying alive with their CD Cycling, it's more engaging than simply pressing 1 button to do everything in terms of damage. Tanks also have branching combos in comparison to keep themselves fresh. Sure, hitting the same buttons over and over can be tiring like muscle memory, but it's not as boring as just press 111111111111 all the frickin' time.

    Giving Healers additional buttons to press during healing downtime would keep engagement. That's literally all we're asking for: Don't make Healer healing downtime braindead.
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  7. #1967
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    I think y'all just played the game to the point that it's no longer fun for you.
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  8. #1968
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    Harun Asubra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraet View Post
    I think y'all just played the game to the point that it's no longer fun for you.
    I definitely played the game enough to see it be reworked to something that's no longer fun.
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  9. #1969
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    I definitely played the game enough to see it be reworked to something that's no longer fun.
    This is totally the sentiment of someone who lives on the forums.
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  10. #1970
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraet View Post
    I think y'all just played the game to the point that it's no longer fun for you.
    "There's no possible way 1111111111111111111 is unfun aside from doing it for too long"

    Where am I. Is this still Earth? This is Sylphie's healer role, we're all just staring at it in disbelief.
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