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  1. #1861
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Sylphies still won’t press it
    Clearly it needs to be merged with a healing effect!
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  2. #1862
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Clearly it needs to be merged with a healing effect!
    I’ve seen people actively avoid pressing assize because it does damage

    At this point if it isn’t called cure 1 and doesn’t have the most grating sound possible they won’t press it
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  3. #1863
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Sylphies still won’t press it
    And that's one of the major points of contention.

    Adding more DPS options doesn't affect the Healers who don't DPS. At all.

    It'll only affect the people who want a bit more out of the Healing role than the exact same DPS rotation from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 08-01-2022 at 12:14 AM.

  4. #1864
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    And that's one of the major points of contention.

    Adding more DPS options doesn't affect the Healers who don't DPS. At all.

    It'll only affect the people who want a bit more out of the Healing role than the exact same DPS rotation from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    I mean isn’t that the problem with healers right now in general, they are being designed for the absolute baseline so there is absolutely no ceiling to them at all.

    What’s the problem with playing them like tanks or older healer, a lower end tank doesn’t need a flawless combo in order to effectively use their mitigation but with healers it’s just designed so that it’s implied it’s basically impossible to do both even if oGCD heals do exactly that

    It’s why I liked 3.0 SCH, nobody was gonna crucify you if you couldn’t juggle all 6 DOT’s effectively but those that could had an interesting optimisation path, and for those that liked the healing aspect fairy micromanagement is better than anything we have now in the healing department except maybe clutch tech with spreadlo
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  5. #1865
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    And that's one of the major points of contention.

    Adding more DPS options doesn't affect the Healers who don't DPS. At all.

    It'll only affect the people who want a bit more out of the Healing role than the exact same DPS rotation from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    People who don't dps at all currently shouldn't even care about having a damage rotation. If they don't do damage now then won't deal damage if we get a damage rotation.
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  6. #1866
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Nah, they'll make the DoT last 15 minutes with 400 potency ticks and remove the single target cast

    Solves their "we need dps for leveling" issue and lets Sylphies live out their fantasy of being on standby while watching Netflix.
    Sylphies still won’t press it
    Clearly it needs to be merged with a healing effect!
    So, this thread has finally revealed itself as just a bunch of immature elitists who can only feel good playing a game by acting like a bunch of 3rd graders on the playground belittling and making stuff up about those "lesser" than them? Good to know that's the kind of people annoyed with the most challenging content being optional.
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  7. #1867
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    So, this thread has finally revealed itself as just a bunch of immature elitists who can only feel good playing a game by acting like a bunch of 3rd graders on the playground belittling and making stuff up about those "lesser" than them? Good to know that's the kind of people annoyed with the most challenging content being optional.
    No this thread is discussing legit problems with the healer role that too much of the OF construes as “toxic elistists hate everyone but week one savage players”, I can’t believe that the main developer of a game that ripped our role to shreds saying “lol go play ultimate” is not a universally decried comment, the healer role is dying and the overly casual playerbase who don’t do damage is helping that along

    We just want our role to feel rewarding and fulfilling and getting basically told to put up or shut up by yoshi isn’t really a great feeling
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  8. #1868
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    No this thread is discussing legit problems with the healer role that too much of the OF construes as “toxic elistists hate everyone but week one savage players”, I can’t believe that the main developer of a game that ripped our role to shreds saying “lol go play ultimate” is not a universally decried comment, the healer role is dying and the overly casual playerbase who don’t do damage is helping that along

    We just want our role to feel rewarding and fulfilling and getting basically told to put up or shut up by yoshi isn’t really a great feeling
    As a WoW refugee, i find that FF suffers from the opposite. No elitism, but people who will oppose any form of challenge or engagement in the name of turbo casuals.
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  9. #1869
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    So, this thread has finally revealed itself as just a bunch of immature elitists who can only feel good playing a game by acting like a bunch of 3rd graders on the playground belittling and making stuff up about those "lesser" than them? Good to know that's the kind of people annoyed with the most challenging content being optional.
    Oh dear me, would you look at that?
    Some people dared to make a few jokes after having in-depths discussions for almost 190 pages. How outrageous! No fun allowed on the OF, make a single joke over the course of almost 190 pages and everything you ever said will immediately become worthless and you get brushed aside as an immature elitist.

    Just kidding (uh oh, another joke...), you'll get brushed aside as an immature elitist either way.

    Several people have provided a lot of reasons why the current state of healers is unacceptable, gave good examples of what could be improved and how to avoid it affecting the more casual crowd and you're free to read those posts. Trying to paint all of us as sweaty elitist tryhards that want everything to be ultimate on the basis of a few people poking a bit of fun after having been ignored by the devs for over 3 years and counting isn't going to work.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 08-01-2022 at 09:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    So, this thread has finally revealed itself as just a bunch of immature elitists who can only feel good playing a game by acting like a bunch of 3rd graders on the playground belittling and making stuff up about those "lesser" than them? Good to know that's the kind of people annoyed with the most challenging content being optional.
    bro really said "this thread has FINALLY revealed itself" as if he was some sort of detective blowing the case wide open LMFAOOOO

    "Aha! I've got them now!"
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