Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Semirhage]

Hey, alright. I get it. You're fed up and I don't honestly blame you. Sorry if I came off as dismissive. I just also see people being kinda mean to people who otherwise don't do anything wrong outside of say "i still find healer complicated." Which clearly you disagree with and frankly I also disagree with. I feel like the most realistic expectation would include some kind of scaling curve but as you've pointed out there just isn't any indication that they even want to TRY a halfway approach or whatever. Just chop it all down. In the end we agree. That's all that matters here.

Don't worry about it, miscommunications happen. I'm a snarling, angry former healer main who despises the direction healer design has taken since Heavensward. I crack that whip every chance I get. The chuckling, dismissive way Square talks about the role makes it even more infuriating.

[MintnHoney]

The winning roll for this week's loot is 0. No party members have been awarded any loot for this clear.

Oh god. I know others have proven that to not be true, but I can only imagine the devs managing to do this anyway.

[Fukuro]

That video made my stomach turns. It's sickening to watch.

Bro just do ultimate. /s

[HyoMinPark]

I think that's pointless. I stand by all the people that take issues with healing and their 'button bloat' excuses. At this point however part of me believes this is where they want to go and no matter how much we complain.. they will continue to strip away the identity of every job. We all tried bringing back some semblance of 3.0 DRK but failed. Only Living Dead and Blood Weapon got fixed which is a miracle in itself.

Even if it is, I can’t sit idly by and allow the neglect to continue without saying anything. Especially after I’ve already watched other jobs I’ve loved in the past become shadows of themselves—from HW DRK to SB BRD and AST. Better to complain to a brick wall than to sit by and do nothing. Especially since silence is so often misconstrued as complacency when it comes to this game.

At least then, I can say I tried.

[Nihility]

not gonna read 100 pages but I'm sure everyone is already aware that the problem is every job has a huge overabundance of OGC skills that basically all do the same thing which somehow leads to a lot more buttons for super homogenized classes.
Like every tank has so many OGC defensive skills they had to boost boss damage to need more than one at a time. One of the biggest constant complaints about dark knight is "i have to reserve a bit of my resources for a defensive cooldown? that's total BS!!"
every healer has so many OGC heals that bosses need to just do waves of aoe constantly to begin to use them up. It's actually to a point where the discussion for WHM is "is it worth it to use three healing spells over the course of a minute to charge afflatus misery?" It's really weird

on the other hand maybe braindead is what the casual players want, it does seem to be working after all =/

[MintnHoney]

on the other hand maybe braindead is what the casual players want, it does seem to be working after all =/

Not necessarily for the healer population, though I guess I can't really check the numbers on that. If I go by the most recent lucky bancho census numbers, then it could be suggested that healers currently represent the smallest population of the playerbase across most, if not all, levels, but I'll be honest and say that I don't really know how much, or well, that census represents anything, and I may actually be interpreting it incorrectly.

[Shin96]

Even if it is, I can’t sit idly by and allow the neglect to continue without saying anything. Especially after I’ve already watched other jobs I’ve loved in the past become shadows of themselves—from HW DRK to SB BRD and AST. Better to complain to a brick wall than to sit by and do nothing. Especially since silence is so often misconstrued as complacency when it comes to this game.

At least then, I can say I tried.

Ah correct. HW and StB DRK were effectively smoked after the release of ShB (StB DRK had its issues) but the changes weren't warranted. They removed about 50% of abilities and I was there thinking.. Shit, this is it. No more main for the next 2 years.

This behaviour they have only came in ShB. Before I'm not sure they were as arrogant to believe people will follow their decisions. Imagine Yoshi P would have said during the E3 panel on ARR: "Guys, if you want a good MMO go play WoW".

Developers are out of touch because the success got to them.

[Ralt21]

on the other hand maybe braindead is what the casual players want, it does seem to be working after all =/

Think about it like. There will be some casuals that start to main healer. They might start to like what responsibility the job offers amd wants to play the job MSQ. Or maybe somebody who starting grinding up WHM, AST, or SCH from lv 1 / 30 to what ever the max lvl is. At some point they gonna notice that outside of dng where they have to babysit other players the healer are really boring when there is nobody else to heal and you dont take that much dmg.

You know there is more than just dungeons and ultimates in this game. We have fates, side quest, hunting and overworld monster.

I said the samething in another forum. And apparently i am echo-ing Askellington sentiment on healers.

[currentlemon]

Even if it is, I can’t sit idly by and allow the neglect to continue without saying anything. Especially after I’ve already watched other jobs I’ve loved in the past become shadows of themselves—from HW DRK to SB BRD and AST. Better to complain to a brick wall than to sit by and do nothing. Especially since silence is so often misconstrued as complacency when it comes to this game.

At least then, I can say I tried.

100% agree. Despite our criticisms about healers and the direction of the game, all of us still love FFXIV. We just want to see the game improve and not get worse over time. Doing nothing will get us nowhere, even though the devs don't listen to us 100% of the time. Apathy is death. If we say nothing, then nothing will ever happen in the future.

[ASkellington]

Think about it like. There will be some casuals that start to main healer. They might start to like what responsibility the job offers amd wants to play the job MSQ. Or maybe somebody who starting grinding up WHM, AST, or SCH from lv 1 / 30 to what ever the max lvl is. At some point they gonna notice that outside of dng where they have to babysit other players the healer are really boring when there is nobody else to heal and you dont take that much dmg.

You know there is more than just dungeons and ultimates in this game. We have fates, side quest, hunting and overworld monster.

I said the samething in another forum. And apparently i am echo-ing Askellington sentiment on healers.

Yeah its been brought up. Multiple times. Hence why I call out my quote when people say "go do raids, go do EX, go do Savage" and YoshiP's "go do Ultimate".

Ultimate isn't even 10% of the game. That's 90% healers are NOT being tested. Are NOT having adequate engagement as per their kit asks of them (to do more healing). And Ultimate doesn't even really test healers either.

Further why is it only Ultimate that requires high amounts of healing? We have EX and Savage of trials and raids respectively. They can't get more frequent damage? Why? Give me a good reason SE.

Going back to Dungeons/Fates/Deep Dungeons/MSQ, why should I have to level up two different classes to not be bored to tears when an MSQ quest comes along that requires me to go into a solo instance for me not to be bored? Why should I be punished for picking healer as my starting class and have to suffer with 2 dps options: a nuke and a 30s dot (which I'll point out SGE doesn't even get until 30 WTF?) when no other role in the game has to do the same thing?

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me "well, healer isn't meant to do solo duties"?

1. Why? Give me a legitimate reason as to why CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST and SGE when you get it are not supposed to do solo duties.

2. Why then can we START as CNJ if we're not meant to play through the MSQ as one? Why not have us start at 15 where we can spam dungeon options?

3. What if I want to level healer then? If I'm telling you 90-95% of the content is boring to play as a healer: Dungeons, Raids, Deep Dungeons, Fates, MSQ what then? Suffer through it to get to the fun stuff? FOR 20(SGE)/60(SCH/AST)/90(CNJ-WHM) LEVELS?

4. If SE wants to make this game more solo friendly, shouldn't they also be obligated to fix the 2 button dps issue then? If some poor SoB (me) picked CNJ GUESS WHAT THEY'LL BE DOING FOR 86 LEVELS? SPAMMING 21111111111111111111111111111111111111

"Don't play the role if you don't like it then".

I'm supposed to like pressing 2 buttons for most content? Ok. Would tanks or dps like to press 2 buttons for most content? No. Why should only healers suffer that?

I've played healer for NEARLY OVER a decade. Tell me if I think FFXIV's healers are the worst I've ever seen, the most boring and uninspired I've ever seen, the most unfun I've ever seen that it's just me and not the game. I don't THINK its me. In fact I KNOW it isn't me. The healing role is G A R B A G E. And there is nothing excusable about its state. None.

Also @Ralt21 if you thought you were stepping on my toes, nah. I'm agreeing with you wholeheartly and I'm glad to see someone else thinks this argument is complete BS and talking about it. I'm just using your quotes to emphasize.