Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[AngeliouxRein]

Ha! Well, Semirhage, at least your comments can be funny. They speak the flat truth but it can trigger others to chime in with their own jokes about how they really feel about healers. But yeah, my fears is that they have literally forgotten about the crowd that helped this game stay online all these years and are too eager to only think of new players. They really need to find a balance on how much attention they focus on new players and veterans alike. I just think that's a healthier way for them to look at things overall.

[MellowMink]

Hoping to see more healer gameplay variety love in the 6.1 patch notes that include specific job changes, but I’m pessimistic at this point. Hope the director sees this thread at least and considers writing a formal and less dismissive blog post about the feedback.

[MellowMink]

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again since I really think that this is a problem that shouldn’t be ignored…

The idea that it’s okay to dismiss valid and persistent healer complaints about lacking DPS variety or healing complexity while playing as a healer for 99.9% of instances and the entirety of solo content by simply pointing to four extremely specific instances (that you can only unlock after playing through multiple expansions of solo and multiplayer content, require many non-ultimate fights to first be done, and can sometimes be done without any healers at all) as if that’s the only thing that healers ever want to play is actually incredibly disingenuous and rude.

It really feels like the director is sometimes looking for an easy out in these questions, and it’s quite disheartening to see “You think you want it, but you don’t” types of responses from Final Fantasy XIV designers when I thought they wanted to avoid those problems that many players had with toxic World of Warcraft community-versus-designer conflicts. I hope there’s some kind of a way to pin this thread for developers to see, because the lack of communication or the presence of nonspecific dismissal is something that I really don’t want to be a thing going forward.

This also still comes to mind; I sincerely hope that it at least gets acknowledged in some meaningful way.

[Nethereal]

This is a trend I've noticed with modern games, and I'm pretty deep in the camp of hating it. Action combat isn't *incapable* of catching my interest, but it definitely has a steeper climb than something with complexity. I'm aware I'm in a minority in the gaming landscape here.

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard something like "finally, a system that fixes the problems with RPG combat systems". I don't see it that way at all. I see it replacing choice, clever ability stacking, and interesting interactions with *dodgeroll dodgeroll dodgeroll swing swing dodgeroll swing dodge swing dodge swing swing swing dodge* which is simply, to put it in RPG terms, replacing INT checks with DEX checks. I don't mind having my DEX checked. I mind when literally all of the challenge in a game boils down to twitch reflexes. I'll get bored pretty fast.

/unsolicited personal whining derailment

I find a game that did that well was Tera. Yeah you were doing a shit ton of "DEX Checks" but you were actively doing "INT Checks" and if you fucked up you usually had something just as good as what fucked you up to counter it.

I.E. die in 0.5 seconds after the boss turns? Well you have a free revive buff you placed on yourself either before the fight started or during. You also relied a lot more on boss tells, how they were moving and their attack patterns more so than randomly dodging and if the boss did do random attacks then you would know they were going to randomly do it so it kept you on your toes waiting for it. That said Tera is a shit game, but the combat.

Thats another thing, its super weird that they took out the differences between Eos and Selene but still keep them both summonable anyway?

They 'deleted' selene because they removed her AoE Esuna because they made a fight that required you to cleanse 6 people to clear it and with selene being able to cleanse all 6 with a single press of a button in an instant you would just be trolling to not take a SCH regardless of how well they did later in the fight. It's just more developer failure imo. If you have to bring things down, instead of up to make them equal they will never be truly equal.

[BaconBits]

Oh except Black Mage, because someone with actual veto power in how jobs are designed mains it. He wouldn't have as much fun if it were significantly dumbed down. But the opposite holds true for the rest of us.

As a Black Mage main and a Healer "Enjoyer" I get to experience both Heaven and Hell

[Nethereal]

As a Black Mage main and a Healer "Enjoyer" I get to experience both Heaven and Hell

To me that just sounds like Purgatory & Hell.

[HyoMinPark]

I don’t think that’s a bad thing - getting a different perspective of how the game plays if you’re a tank or a healer keeps it fresh and you learn some new skills. It feels like they think if a player tries out a new role and they feel it’s even remotely challenging, they’ll instantly quit the game, rather than just go back to the previous role, or even try to learn and get better at the role. Maybe it’s a “oh no, it’s too much responsibility” thing? I’m not sure, if that is the thinking, that making the jobs ridiculously easy will make people suddenly change their mind about the responsibility thing.

It is a bad thing when it starts alienating people who have played these jobs for years. Through the good parts and the bad. It comes off more as the developers don’t really care what veteran players in this game think or feel, so long as New Player #38475345834 is happy with the state of things.

[WaxSw]

It is a bad thing when it starts alienating people who have played these jobs for years. Through the good parts and the bad. It comes off more as the developers don’t really care what veteran players in this game think or feel, so long as New Player #38475345834 is happy with the state of things.

Let's also mention how is that were the case on top of allienating the veterans it would only work while leveling, as soon as someone hits endgame due to the weekly limits in savage loot/tomes they have to pick a role if they want to get the best gear they can and I doubt a oversimplified/unengaging version of healers can compete against the tanks or dps which share a better design and feel more impactful the majority of time

[Thoosa]

It is a bad thing when it starts alienating people who have played these jobs for years. Through the good parts and the bad. It comes off more as the developers don’t really care what veteran players in this game think or feel, so long as New Player #38475345834 is happy with the state of things.

Yep, that’s probably more likely, it’s all good if the conveyer belt of new players keeps coming, until when it stops.

[IdowhatIwant]

Let's also mention how is that were the case on top of allienating the veterans it would only work while leveling, as soon as someone hits endgame due to the weekly limits in savage loot/tomes they have to pick a role if they want to get the best gear they can and I doubt a oversimplified/unengaging version of healers can compete against the tanks or dps which share a better design and feel more impactful the majority of time

You mean DPS. Tank gameplay plummeted in 5.0 when they tweaked stance dancing to emnity on, emnity off modes. As well as some other changes in 4.0 which made me personally quit the role.