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[Mortex]

I’m still trying to figure out your argument though, ED is a factor in SCH’s damage, it’s not a big one, of SCH’s 4 methods of applying damage it’s by far the one the that contributes the least

Sure a gold parsing SCH is going to char their cohealer for ED casts but even a high green/low blue SCH is going to ED roughly half or so of their aetherflow and that’s fine because ED is designed as a dumping mechanic for excess aetherflow, chadding your co-healer causing deaths just shows you are a bad SCH, it doesn’t mean the skill itself is flawed

If you removed ED not only would you make SCH and SGE near identical in execution (as much as they are in skill design currently) you’d also send SCH’s HPS through the roof which we don’t really need

ED isn’t the problem here, SGE is

About the energy drain usage I took like 3 mins and watched again some logs. And for example p10s best world sch does 36 energy drains while a log 83 person did 14. It’s funny how it’s not hard to actual see how energy drain influence scholars dmg if some one actual uses the mathematical proof people give us for free and take some time using it.


I can agree that ed is a cool idea but the problem is that 1: it’s only on one healer and we all know when there is the option for spending it on a dmg button in comparison to a heal button you wanna press the dmg option more then the heals.

2: ed as interesting as it is as a ability is still a toxic ability for a healer job. It only serving grace is 100 potency while back then at least it was a mana gain tool.

[Supersnow845]

About the energy drain usage I took like 3 mins and watched again some logs. And for example p10s best world sch does 36 energy drains while a log 83 person did 14. It’s funny how it’s not hard to actual see how energy drain influence scholars dmg if some one actual uses the mathematical proof people give us for free and take some time using it.


I can agree that ed is a cool idea but the problem is that 1: it’s only on one healer and we all know when there is the option for spending it on a dmg button in comparison to a heal button you wanna press the dmg option more then the heals.

2: ed as interesting as it is as a ability is still a toxic ability for a healer job. It only serving grace is 100 potency while back then at least it was a mana gain tool.

Yes and that difference of energy drain is not much about 3% of the SCH’s total damage, that still doesn’t remotely affect my point

SCH is a thoroughly good healer even without ED’s damage, it’s an optimisation mechanism that would break SCH if it got deleted, you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth, it’s this mammoth thing that is destroying SCH’s balance but it is also inconsequential depending on what point you are making

[Cpt_hater]

Yes and that difference of energy drain is not much about 3% of the SCH’s total damage, that still doesn’t remotely affect my point

ED in our current reality - not in paper situations - doesn't have any meaningful weight in the total result ("Kudos" to CBU 3 for their tireless efforts in destroying any positive impact from this button) to the point it may as well not exist

it’s an optimisation mechanism that would break SCH if it got deleted

Oh! In actual reality, the world will not end after that
That concept is considered too dangerous and hard by CBU 3 (judging by their lack of any progress and creativity and positive movement into even ED's gameplay direction for SIX YEARS since the wonderful global healer rework (And I'm afraid 3 more years in Dawntrail)... and attempts to reduce the gains of ED as much as possible)

It is better to start with making us a small, independent and self-sufficient dps rotation (maybe allow ourselves to be a little daring and sprinkle it with procs and etc.) without changing the total potency of jobs -- there were some real good ideas by Forsaken Roe, for example -- simply to have something during our filler moments. Then we can see where it goes
Instead of making me spam a single nuke 130+ times and have the nerve to call it a gameplay

SCH wins in almost every category, higher damage, better shields, more mitigation, better utility

Mr. Supernow845, I still want to see proofs which back up that statement -- can you at least answer my Question in previous post?
Or are you going to continue your dodging by using demagogy and "I just feel like it" vibes when you are given statistics

[Supersnow845]

ED in our current reality - not in paper situations - doesn't have any meaningful weight in the total result ("Kudos" to CBU 3 for their tireless efforts in destroying any positive impact from this button) to the point it may as well not exist


Oh! In actual reality, the world will not end after that
That concept is considered too dangerous and hard by CBU 3 (judging by their lack of any progress and creativity and positive movement into even ED's gameplay direction for SIX YEARS since the wonderful global healer rework (And I'm afraid 3 more years in Dawntrail)... and attempts to reduce the gains of ED as much as possible)

It is better to start with making us a small, independent and self-sufficient dps rotation (maybe allow ourselves to be a little daring and sprinkle it with procs and etc.) without changing the total potency of jobs -- there were some real good ideas by Forsaken Roe, for example -- simply to have something during our filler moments. Then we can see where it goes
Instead of making me spam a single nuke 130+ times and have the nerve to call it a gameplay


Mr. Supernow845, I still want to see proofs which back up that statement -- can you at least answer my Question in previous post?
Or are you going to continue your dodging by using demagogy and "I just feel like it" vibes when you are given statistics

Are you the same guy as before, are you using a different account to dodge post limits because otherwise I am confused as hell, I’m gonna go with the assumption you are the same person

Point 1) can you please pick a lane for your opinion of energy drain, you have spent 10 posts arguing the energy drain is a massive contribution for its 5% when we have all said that that isn’t really meaningful, the 5% is a useful optimisation amount but it’s not worth chasing your cohealer, that’s the entire point

Point 2) you’ll hear no disagreement with me, I’ve argued about healer DPS problems as long as we have had the modern healers, energy drain isn’t the totality of SCH’s complexity nor should it be, I would 100% trade energy drain for a more complex DPS kit but they have to balance how much that would break SCH’s HPS if they did that way

Point 3) the proofs are literally in the logs you yourself constantly refer to, SCH is first in rDPS at the max percentile in near every fight (otherwise it’s AST) SGE wins in lower percentiles, that’s literally how rDPS is designed to be balanced, I don’t know how else to describe that to you; the last time I tried to explain that to you you went off on a tangent about what percentage of different percentiles total aetherflow was spent on energy drain, as for shields critlo dwarfs anything SGE puts out, SCH has one extra mitigation in fey illumination and it gets better utility as expedience has no counter and SCH more strongly benefits from single target healing up because it can spread critlo

It actually already does it here and there, sad part is that you don't even play it
It was proven by Abyssos that your usual raider-healer can't handle even those healing (in truth mitigation due to scripted nature of this game and its code) requirements. Now imagine them burdened by the constant choice of either dump your heal into dps or do your first priority task instead
I am happy that you are so good, so skilled and want incoming damage to burn every single resource on heals, but remind yourself from time to time that other people exist and the major contingent is not on raider's level. Not even on extreme farmer's. Even the ones you meet in savages are often only able to perform at current general difficulty.

And for the 918450158285915918th time abyssos I as caused by the DPS refusing to mitigate even though they hold 50% of the total mitigation, we weren’t wiping in abyssos because the SCH used energy drain over sacred soil, we were wiping because the DPS and tanks would refuse to press their mitigation then demand the healer succor spam the dot that was chunking 50% of their HP per tick, there is a big difference there

[Mortex]

Are you the same guy as before, are you using a different account to dodge post limits because otherwise I am confused as hell, I’m gonna go with the assumption you are the same person

Point 1) can you please pick a lane for your opinion of energy drain, you have spent 10 posts arguing the energy drain is a massive contribution for its 5% when we have all said that that isn’t really meaningful, the 5% is a useful optimisation amount but it’s not worth chasing your cohealer, that’s the entire point

Point 2) you’ll hear no disagreement with me, I’ve argued about healer DPS problems as long as we have had the modern healers, energy drain isn’t the totality of SCH’s complexity nor should it be, I would 100% trade energy drain for a more complex DPS kit but they have to balance how much that would break SCH’s HPS if they did that way

Point 3) the proofs are literally in the logs you yourself constantly refer to, SCH is first in rDPS at the max percentile in near every fight (otherwise it’s AST) SGE wins in lower percentiles, that’s literally how rDPS is designed to be balanced, I don’t know how else to describe that to you; the last time I tried to explain that to you you went off on a tangent about what percentage of different percentiles total aetherflow was spent on energy drain, as for shields critlo dwarfs anything SGE puts out, SCH has one extra mitigation in fey illumination and it gets better utility as expedience has no counter and SCH more strongly benefits from single target healing up because it can spread critlo



And for the 918450158285915918th time abyssos I as caused by the DPS refusing to mitigate even though they hold 50% of the total mitigation, we weren’t wiping in abyssos because the SCH used energy drain over sacred soil, we were wiping because the DPS and tanks would refuse to press their mitigation then demand the healer succor spam the dot that was chunking 50% of their HP per tick, there is a big difference there

I love this claim you did here sir shows me how mature this will be so im gonna say my part. Mister "i claim facts that are just slightly true". Im sure he used 5 mins for checking logs and saw the same stuff i saw before some people claim "Scholar healing will be even higher when we remove ED (almost same healing when scholar doesnt use all stack for ED) or his dmg is just way higher because rDPS (if he doesnt dumb AF stack on ED its lower until 98 % logs) or ED doesnt do a lot for SCH dmg (does out dps sgn in 100 % log by 400 dps while ED does around 400 while also losing 80 % of healing power and 10 % mit for the entire fight) "