Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ty_taurus]

This isn't really the case at all, WHM wasn't almost not played at all in SB, it's just slightly behind AST.

Your picture is showing the top 50 speedkills, not many groups would take a WHM to a speedkill. This is what the total logs for all healers were for O12S P2.

Sorry, I'm bad at navigating the old stuff

[Supersnow845]

Do you guys feel like ultimates really do make you feel like a healer? For me they didn’t.

One personal problem for me is that I only play 6-9 hrs a week (which is not healer related), and the number of weeks a new ultimate takes feels like it is taking over my life.

The last one I progged was DSR, and as I’ve said in a few other comments, the first half of DSR didn’t really feel like I was busy healing at all (IIRC this comment from YoshiP was made when DSR was the latest ultimate).

I agree, I don’t really care if the healers heal in ultimate because that’s not what I spend the majority of my time doing


If my class only works in a niche of a niche of a niche (and even then barely because you are still doing broil 70% of the time) then the class design is an utter failure

[Aravell]

Do you guys feel like ultimates really do make you feel like a healer? For me they didn’t.

One personal problem for me is that I only play 6-9 hrs a week (which is not healer related), and the number of weeks a new ultimate takes feels like it is taking over my life.

The last one I progged was DSR, and as I’ve said in a few other comments, the first half of DSR didn’t really feel like I was busy healing at all (IIRC this comment from YoshiP was made when DSR was the latest ultimate).

Having healed every ultimate except TOP (burnt out, don't care), I don't feel like much of a healer in ultimates either. Ultimates are mostly just spreadsheeting mitigations, you don't really get to heal very much at all aside from very specific mechanics (In DSR, the Cauterise DoT on the tank if they don't invuln and the 7 hit Akh Morn's Edge). And judging by how TOP was cleared with no healers, I'm probably not missing out on feeling like a healer by not doing that fight either.

[ForteNightshade]

Do you guys feel like ultimates really do make you feel like a healer? For me they didn’t.

One personal problem for me is that I only play 6-9 hrs a week (which is not healer related), and the number of weeks a new ultimate takes feels like it is taking over my life.

The last one I progged was DSR, and as I’ve said in a few other comments, the first half of DSR didn’t really feel like I was busy healing at all (IIRC this comment from YoshiP was made when DSR was the latest ultimate).

They don't.

Ultimates are largely a mitigation check. Case in point, let's look at the stack mechanic in P3 of Dragonsong. It does approximately 120% or thereabouts of a non-tank's HP. You are 100% dead without mitigation. Despite how fast pace that entire phase is all White Mage and Astro are actually doing is using oGCD hots and relying entirely on their co-healer or mit from another role. Now if this was evenly distributed where say, P4 or P5 was raw healing intensive, it would be fine. Sadly, it isn't. The general delay between mechanics means you can let HoTs do most of the work. In fact, the actual quick damage phase (P4) can be largely covered by the shield healers or tank CDs (Nascent and the like). It's really only P6 where raw healing gets to show any real importance that isn't easily replicated by shield healers.

The sad part is all of what I described is still not even have your overall contribution. My Sage in Dragonsong overhealed like crazy, totally 86 casts of Prognosis and Diagnosis. Keep in mind, this includes downtime where she had literally nothing better to do. Her Dosis III cats alone were 182. Our White Mage had a non-Lily GCD ratio of 42 to 195.

All of this is why Scholar and Sage is actually quite strong, and arguably would be meta if not for the buff potential of Astro. Comparably, White Mage and Astro is a meme comp.

[Nizzi]

Do you guys feel like ultimates really do make you feel like a healer? For me they didn’t.

One personal problem for me is that I only play 6-9 hrs a week (which is not healer related), and the number of weeks a new ultimate takes feels like it is taking over my life.

The last one I progged was DSR, and as I’ve said in a few other comments, the first half of DSR didn’t really feel like I was busy healing at all (IIRC this comment from YoshiP was made when DSR was the latest ultimate).

I agree with the other things that have been said and just wanted to say that not a single Ultimate fight in the game ever once made me think "Okay, I can see where they were going with this design, and this is where it's intended to be fun." I legitimately cannot imagine that fun was ever an intended design direction of the current healer design at all. There's just nothing the kits are actually fun or satisfying in.

[Maltothoris]

What's hilarious is that in the digest https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/456921 of the letter that was released a month after here was how they said the quote

We hold back on the difficulty of the initial Savage raids of each expansion to allow more people to clear, which goes for Asphodelos as well.

I imagine a lot of comparisons are being drawn between the current encounters and the Savage encounters added in Patch 5.4, but the difficulty will be gradually increased as players get more comfortable with their jobs again. But should you yearn for more, please look forward to Dragonsong’s Reprise (Ultimate)!

And then after 6.2 and then when we had the question of the healer shortage, look at what mr happy here when reading that question when he does say that DSR might of been too easy to heal at parts. https://youtu.be/I6deolELZ6c?si=eP6W2dGLAItAwRHl

Its kinda funny in regards to the whole he reacted to the bit again when the question was asked. https://youtu.be/uBUiBvz58Ns?si=Nws22qB4hU0FPWqq

[Supersnow845]

Yeah I remember Mr happy, mizzteq and lazzie all got together to collectively ask about the current design of healers and they all got collectively blown off

But apparently any streamer with 5 subscribers gets yoshi’s undivided attention when it comes to the fact that tanks still aren’t strong enough

[Aravell]

Yeah I remember Mr happy, mizzteq and lazzie all got together to collectively ask about the current design of healers and they all got collectively blown off

But apparently any streamer with 5 subscribers gets yoshi’s undivided attention when it comes to the fact that tanks still aren’t strong enough

No offence to any of them, but I'm pretty sure they only asked about healers because their fans asked them to. As far as I know, none of them really main healers, so they've got no investment into the role.

I don't think we've ever seen a single serious healer main get invited to a media tour at all.

[Supersnow845]

No offence to any of them, but I'm pretty sure they only asked about healers because their fans asked them to. As far as I know, none of them really main healers, so they've got no investment into the role.

I don't think we've ever seen a single serious healer main get invited to a media tour at all.

I’m pretty sure Mr happy is a healer main, and lazzie while being a SMN main more than anything else is more invested in the healers than 99% of creators, I’m not exactly sure on what mizzteq even mains……PLD maybe

[Aravell]

I’m pretty sure Mr happy is a healer main, and lazzie while being a SMN main more than anything else is more invested in the healers than 99% of creators, I’m not exactly sure on what mizzteq even mains……PLD maybe

I'll admit I'm not familiar with lazzie, but in the few times I've seen Mr. Happy, he's usually been on MNK or a physical ranged. Also, pretty sure Mizzteq is a tank main.

I know they probably dabble in healers, but when people talk about dedicated healer mains, I don't think any of their names are usually mentioned.