Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ty_taurus]

If the goal is to foster an environment where both the hardcore and the “intermediates” can reliably eat harder content, then wouldn’t it make more sense to have savage fights allow intermediate players to make more mistakes rather than have them demand near-perfection, then just sanding away vigorously at every job’s gameplay to try and childproof them so that mistakes cannot be made?

[Aravell]

If the goal is to foster an environment where both the hardcore and the “intermediates” can reliably eat harder content, then wouldn’t it make more sense to have savage fights allow intermediate players to make more mistakes rather than have them demand near-perfection, then just sanding away vigorously at every job’s gameplay to try and childproof them so that mistakes cannot be made?

It's part of the reason why shifting all the complexity into the fights is an unsustainable design. Current savage demands that the entire party execute the fight perfectly or you die, that's likely to be way harder on the middle skill level playerbase than straightforward fights with complex job kits (especially since the players on the weaker side can be carried to a certain point when the fights aren't body checks on top of body checks).

This basically was proven by P10S. Look how many complained about P10S. It's not even a particularly hard fight, but it has way more body checks than a 2nd floor fight has any right to have, and that's a big problem.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If the goal is to foster an environment where both the hardcore and the “intermediates” can reliably eat harder content, then wouldn’t it make more sense to have savage fights allow intermediate players to make more mistakes rather than have them demand near-perfection, then just sanding away vigorously at every job’s gameplay to try and childproof them so that mistakes cannot be made?

The way they adding so much body checks kinda makes me think that they have ran out of ways to counteract the amount of 'support/mitigation/recovery' options they've given us as a whole. As a last resort they turn to "You do it X way or you die Idc" which frankly feels really bad to have that agency taken away from players' hands.