Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

[KizuyaKatogami]

Ah the immediate shift to “Venat must be the problem,” which totally absolves all other actors of their own failures. When members of Venats group were waved off and ignored exactly what was Elidibus doing to “mediate?” When the decision to make the third sacrifice came down even without the rift in Amaurot resolved what was he doing? And don’t even start with the secret stuff, we’ve had that conversation in the past and you refused to see the reasons for why that was necessary.



Cant wait for the scene where Lahabrea gets in his knees and begs for Erichthonios forgiveness, if we’re following the Fourchenault arc. Totally something someone would do when they did the right thing. And I don’t believe “handling grief” requires abandoning your child, defending that with the “he’s going through a hard time” defense is just wrong.

We dont even know if Elidibus was out during that time do we? I refused to see the reasons because the ones given by you and others weren't very good in all honesty. But to address your statement, yes, Venat is the problem imo. It all stems to her keeping secrets but then having the audacity to try to play the victim. Regardless of that though, its all theoretical. Im simply saying Elidibus would be a far less biased pov than Emet or Venat would be and id be interested in said pov, and i think its quite interesting the devs refused to give that pov or a pov of the actual sundering. Might not make Venat look in the best of light hm?

In regards to Laha, it was a simple comparison of many and i do mean many players being wrong about him, in that everyone thought he was just a douche but omg gasp, it turns out he actually has true motivations and it turns out the underdeveloped teens are jumping to conclusions. As for the handling grief comment, considering your views on the themes and characters this expansion, im not particularly interested in your morals or what you see as right or wrong.

[Skyborne]

The topic seems to have been driven into... "ancient man bad for experiencing basic human feelings". Next up: Themis is sinister and evil because he smiled at us the wrong way. Also, Hythlodaeus is pure evil because he inhaled an oxygen atom that could've gone into a butterfly. A butterfly that he turned into a robe, to boot.

[Tehmon]

I can't believe the quality of the discussion has become this, AGAIN.
Nobody is saying anyone is bad for experiencing basic human feelings, but certainly your emotions and hurt feelings can't justify horrible actions?
We have certainly come to that conclusion with Venat.

[Rulakir]

Given Venat's status, we can deduce the problem was the message and not the messenger. We also know that Venat didn't share the truth, arguably with even her own followers. We don't know how many followers she did have, a couple of people here have said it was only the 12 in Anyder, but regardless it was a minority. At some point it's not bias on Elidibus' part as much as trying to get the minority to accept the decision the majority had made. Elidibus wouldn't have had a stake in the third sacrifice unless he was being tormented by the souls within Zodiark which, while possible, is speculation either way.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of things we'll never know because 1) they decided to rush a conclusion to the story, 2) I highly suspect it went through extensive rewrites between ShB and EW because there are too many inconsistencies, and 3) based on the LL they simply don't think about these finer details. "Come up with your own theory" would probably be the answer.

[SannaR]

Given Venat's status, we can deduce the problem was the message and not the messenger. We also know that Venat didn't share the truth, arguably with even her own followers. We don't know how many followers she did have, a couple of people here have said it was only the 12 in Anyder, but regardless it was a minority. At some point it's not bias on Elidibus' part as much as trying to get the minority to accept the decision the majority had made. Elidibus wouldn't have had a stake in the third sacrifice unless he was being tormented by the souls within Zodiark which, while possible, is speculation either way.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of things we'll never know because 1) they decided to rush a conclusion to the story, 2) I highly suspect it went through extensive rewrites between ShB and EW because there are too many inconsistencies, and 3) based on the LL they simply don't think about these finer details. "Come up with your own theory" would probably be the answer.

But don't you know you're not allowed to speculate in the lore section. Gotta have hard cold facts... How else are we supposed to slowly turn a few of these dead horses into glue while arguing about a singular speck of sand that most here by now agree is a dumb thing that happened regardless of other bad things that happened prior to said debate over said speck of sand. Cause you know some characters are just straight up heartless witches and you can't persuade me to think otherwise. Even if other characters also agree to go with and deal with in their own way one of the dumbest ideas ever. Since you know story gotta story.

[Skyborne]

I can't believe the quality of the discussion has become this, AGAIN.
Nobody is saying anyone is bad for experiencing basic human feelings, but certainly your emotions and hurt feelings can't justify horrible actions?
We have certainly come to that conclusion with Venat.

Pardon me for funposting a little in this sacred cathedral, while your eyes avert from the posts above and in the last page. I wouldn't say being distant to your child who is a grown man (who can swing his chains like a pro) is remotely the same as Venat's (in)actions post-Ktisis... in any case, the bad breadman has paid for his post-sundering misdeeds by having his soul get gobbled up by a dragon's eyes. Venat is also gone gone. Just funny that this derail happened as things were starting to dry up...

[KageTokage]

It honestly feels really awkward that we ended up with what we did as the final resolution/explanation to the conflict at the core of the game's lore/story despite the expansion being delayed partly to sort out story-related matters.

Something XIV has consistently been good about is foreshadowing major plot points in advance...yet there was literally nothing to indicate any of this time travel/causal loop nonsense outside of Venat's vague line about the timelines intertwining in the intro quest for Endwalker which could've easily been viewed as metaphorical rather then literal.

It retroactively makes you question how many times she was simply going through the motions to ensure that the things came to pass exactly in the manner they would need to ensure that the loop would be maintained, which kind of tarnished her character for me.

[EaraGrace]

We dont even know if Elidibus was out during that time do we?

The quote was from when they were finishing preparations to summon Hydaelyn, he was certainly out by then.

I refused to see the reasons because the ones given by you and others weren't very good in all honesty. But to address your statement, yes, Venat is the problem imo. It all stems to her keeping secrets but then having the audacity to try to play the victim.

Regardless of that though, its all theoretical. Im simply saying Elidibus would be a far less biased pov than Emet or Venat would be and id be interested in said pov, and i think its quite interesting the devs refused to give that pov or a pov of the actual sundering. Might not make Venat look in the best of light hm?

They gave a sequence showing her literally wandering through the void, stained black, looking on at the suffering the Sundering brought forth. I’m shocked you think that showing a fractured Elidibus convincing everyone to grab their sacrificial knives would be less kind to Venat.

In regards to Laha, it was a simple comparison of many and i do mean many players being wrong about him, in that everyone thought he was just a douche but omg gasp, it turns out he actually has true motivations and it turns out the underdeveloped teens are jumping to conclusions.

He literally eats his own words, watches his plans get turned upside down and fail, and then has to send his two kids on a suicide mission to make up for it even after asking for forgiveness. I’m sorry, in what universe were people wrong about him? He was an asshole, and he would readily agree!

As for the handling grief comment, considering your views on the themes and characters this expansion, im not particularly interested in your morals or what you see as right or wrong.

Kizuya of all things to be contrarian about, abandoning grieving family is not exactly a good cause.

[Lyth]

We don't know how many followers she did have, a couple of people here have said it was only the 12 in Anyder, but regardless it was a minority. At some point it's not bias on Elidibus' part as much as trying to get the minority to accept the decision the majority had made.

I can see why that selfsame majority needed to have their powers revoked, especially if that was such a unilateral decision in their society.

[Lyth]

Reddit is a different beast altogether, in part because it's a larger community that doesn't pride itself specifically on a 'lore' focus. You're not going to get downvoted and dogpiled because you refused to demonstrate obsequiousness to the local lore lord and their Discord support group or agree to follow their 'official' Amaurotian translated copy of the script. Big fish, small pond, and all that. Either way, times change, a point that the Ascians learnt all too well.