<MATERIA> First-Come First-Served AND Lottery Plots

[LunaFancy]

I wonder whether many of the people here have ever tried to buy tickets for a popular concert, or buy a popular good, at release. It's horrible. Lotteries aren't fair either but with limited supply it's unfair in a different, more socially cohesive way than FCFS. There's room for both but let's give lottery a go first for a month or so.

I wonder if you gave up a home you loved in order to bring your main across to the new data centre so that it wouldn't be 100% sprouts just as much?

It's an awful way to punish us for supporting the new data centre and there is no way to spin it otherwise.

The deception by omission is what needs to be focused on at this point, because it is unforgivable. Had they revealed the lottery system prior to opening the data centre and we transferred anyway then that would be on us, but they never, not once, stated we would not be able to simply FCFS our old houses back on Materia.

The only mention they made of the lottery back then was in relation to Empyreum. It never occurred to me that these devs would be underhanded enough to do what they have indeed done to those of us who trusted them to be transparent. Well fool me once shame on you, I and many others will never trust that they are acting in good faith again, so nice job on on the PR front SE.

I hope you are right about the FC lock, but I don't think you will be. I'm just glad I brought my alt across to help found the FC and he can purchase the house for the FC.

[KidHeracles]

I've only been around for like 8 months so of course I didn't own a house in JP. I co-ran the FC house, which as only <12 months old, was a small in a sub-division in the Goblet, about the highest turnover there is. I've no attachment to it.

It's all pixels, and you'll get your beloved plot again. Don't tell me though that it's not tempting to upscale, to go for that medium or large, in a premium housing district like Mist or Shirogane.

The deception by omission is what needs to be focused on at this point, because it is unforgivable.

Square Enix isn't responsible for your assumptions. They said launching Materia DC before 6.1 was a gift to the community that came with strings: housing won't be available until 6.1, which would be released in April. You filled in the gaps with what you wanted to hear and now you're trying to hold Square Enix accountable to your flights of fancy.

I would be very curious to hear how you would fairly handle different players owning the same plot from different servers if it wasn't for a lottery system; I think we've established FCFS isn't fair.

We're with FFXIV for the long haul: what is happening over these three months is negligible in this multi-decade project Square-Enix has got going on. You'll move on emotionally by the end of April. Is only a game..

[Shibi]

This is why I'm convinced that the first lottery will be FC only.

Absolute false hope. They will do it like all worlds at once.

On old worlds there is no need to do FC first.

The fair thing for those people who gave up their homes, would have been to open the original cities for all on materia weeks ago.

[LunaFancy]

Absolute false hope. They will do it like all worlds at once.

On old worlds there is no need to do FC first.

The fair thing for those people who gave up their homes, would have been to open the original cities for all on materia weeks ago.

At this point the only truly fair thing to do is to reinstate our old plots to us. Give us a different ward than the old ward if there are double ups but give them back to us because we were tricked out of them by deception.

Any other industry would face consequences for such deceptive business practice and you can bet they won't be doing this to the new worlds on the new JP data centres.

maybe we should get a few choice words translated into Japanese and flood the twitch chat during the LL with our protests because clearly they won't hear us any other way.

[DeNada]

At this point the only truly fair thing to do is to reinstate our old plots to us. Give us a different ward than the old ward if there are double ups but give them back to us because we were tricked out of them by deception.

Any other industry would face consequences for such deceptive business practice and you can bet they won't be doing this to the new worlds on the new JP data centres.

maybe we should get a few choice words translated into Japanese and flood the twitch chat during the LL with our protests because clearly they won't hear us any other way.

There is no deception, you are not assured of getting back the same plot even with FCFS.

Also, reinstating plots is just ridiculous. So all other players on Oceania should be deprived of a plot they wanted simply because you had one in your previous server? Everyone who transferred worlds did so willingly and those who transferred to standard servers instead of new worlds even had to relinquish their old homes with zero compensation (meaning they had to forfeit whatever amount they paid for their own homes which could be up to 50 million gil if they own a large). You were already compensated the full amount of your own plot plus an additional 3 million so you are already in a better place than the others.

[DeNada]

I mean, it's fair that everyone gets only one bid.

The fact is there's quite a number of free companies which are solo FCs and allowing the owner to bid for both personal and FC plots would mean double dipping.

[LunaFancy]

No, it is most definitely not fair, and since you can bid using an alt for a FC as well as a personal on your main means in fact it FAVOURS shell FCs. This is how I am going to be bidding for my FC and will still be able to bid on my personal. The only people who are being punished by this are people who haven't got alts. You know, the people who won't be having shell FCs at all.

The fact that we would have to make a choice between and FC house or replacing the house we lost was pertinent to the the decision making process BEFORE we gave up out homes and migrated. And this information was not given to us before we made the decision, which is why we feel conned by YoshiP et al.

You have already stated that you gave up nothing and started an alt on Materia so you have no idea how those of us who moved our mains (you know, the people who actually made a sacrifice to support the devs) feel sucker punched by this.

[dspguy]

Why did those players switch data centers in the first place? What was more important: ping or housing? If the answer was ping, then you switched to a data center that has given you a guaranteed advantage over your previous data center. If your answer was housing - then why did you switch data centers?

It sounds like people assumed that the old system (FCFS) would have stayed in place. If SE explicitly stated it would be FCFS in the new data center and then switched it, that would be a reason to be disappointed. Wasn't this talk of a lottery system out way before Oceania data center opened up? I did a quick google search and found plenty of articles about it. One even quoted Yoshi:

Yoshida emphasized that the Final Fantasy 14 team built its new lottery system with the potential to implement it in both new and existing areas on an area-by-area basis, and not just in the Ishgard region. The team will also have the power to set entire regions to the lottery-based option or the traditional first come first serve option, if it so chooses. There may also be housing locations that will require players to purchase them as free companies...

That's dated pre-Endwalker. Seems like players wished something would happen but it didn't happen that way.

[Taitaibun]

For some of us it was to be with our friends, our free companies who may have moved over, or even to find new friends and begin new adventures. To actually be with people who had the same timezone or a similar timezone as us, not those living on the other side of the world.

I also know of NA and EU players who moved over to be with their statics or friends here despite the ping and timezone differences.

I know many people who gave up their houses to come here and be with their free companies or friends and they liked the idea that they'd be able to get a house or their old area back. That in exchange for leaving their old houses behind so they could support their friends and help populate a new datacenter they'd have a decent chance of getting their old plots back or just a plot at all in some cases.
We knew it wouldn't be full fcfs because of the demand for lottery, but it would have been appreciated if we were atleast allowed half fcfs and half lottery so it catered to all kinds of people. We have been asking for that and have been overlooked entirely.
Yoshi P said that there would be a lottery system, you are correct, but they said it would be for the Empyreum at first and they would roll it out where they felt fit.

As someone who actually gave up my dream plot to be here I feel spat on.
If I knew it was full lottery when OCE dropped I would not have transferred. Good ping and OCE friends be damned.

[NanaWiloh]

For some of us it was to be with our friends, our free companies who may have moved over, or even to find new friends and begin new adventures. To actually be with people who had the same timezone or a similar timezone as us, not those living on the other side of the world.

I also know of NA and EU players who moved over to be with their statics or friends here despite the ping and timezone differences.

I know many people who gave up their houses to come here and be with their free companies or friends and they liked the idea that they'd be able to get a house or their old area back. That in exchange for leaving their old houses behind so they could support their friends and help populate a new datacenter they'd have a decent chance of getting their old plots back or just a plot at all in some cases.
We knew it wouldn't be full fcfs because of the demand for lottery, but it would have been appreciated if we were atleast allowed half fcfs and half lottery so it catered to all kinds of people. We have been asking for that and have been overlooked entirely.
Yoshi P said that there would be a lottery system, you are correct, but they said it would be for the Empyreum at first and they would roll it out where they felt fit.

As someone who actually gave up my dream plot to be here I feel spat on.
If I knew it was full lottery when OCE dropped I would not have transferred. Good ping and OCE friends be damned.

No Yoshi did not say it would be Empyrean only. I have reviewed the transcripts and slides for past live letters involving the Empyrean and the lotto system. More importantly the live letter on 11/19/2021 states at the bottom they had still not finalized the decision on how many wards would be lotto system. Only time the empyrean and lotto are mention togather, their using the empyrean as an example. Even info related to the oce data center makes no mention of emp being the lotto only ward.