Ishgard Housing No Lottery For Wards

[Lecru]

As the title states. You just said head to the forums to post your response in regards to the information in the Live Letter.

You implement a new housing zone with the Firmament. We all knew this is what it was. Then later down the line after people start saving money to move or get a house in general, you say that it's now going to be a lottery system. You need to make a good portion of the housing plots FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. It is not fair as there are TONS of people who waited for this housing ward since Heavensward came out. And anticipated it. Lottery for any house relinquished or demolished is fine. And a portion of the new housing should be lottery. But it needs to be First Come/First Serve on at least half. Then moving forward. ALL lottery system is fine.

This needs to be what is done.


Further. For those that are praising the lottery system. You do not know just how bad this is going to be for you. You say that going against a Bot is bad. It's really not. I spend 3 days, 8 hours a day, clicking on the placard with my controller and won my house after moving over from Excalibur. There were bots there. But you know what? There were only 2 or so at a time. Sometimes One. You know what Lottery does? It now takes EVERY person that was Raiding, farming mounts, leveling, crafting, doing maps, etc and allows them to go "Y'know, I never really thought of having a house. But hey why not". Then they stop what they are doing, go put their lottery in, and just go right back to the content they WANTED to be doing in the first place. They'll get the plot, then do nothing with it but walk into it every so often to save it. People who aren't at plots fighting for them don't really care to have them in the first place. That's just basic logic. Instead of fighting Two or Three others for a plot, you'll now be fighting Thousands at a small chance to win.

Now, why bring this up you ask? If you voice that you want a portion of housing to be First Come/First Server. Then you'll have an immediate chance of grabbing a house when the new wards drop. Instead of throwing your number in a gigantic pile.

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[Yamimarik]

Please Yoshi, don't make the start of 6.1 housing(Ishgard) all lottery system at launch. I'm sure many people are going to go "Bot user! It stops the bots!".
No.
One, I'm asking for it to be split, not fully first come first serve.
Two, I'd rather have a chance at a house at my own will and RNG over the sever deciding my fate with its RNG system on how it will decide who gets a house!
I know I'm "privileged" in a video game (mind you it is....), but settling on a house in a district that I never cared for, to FINALLY having the dream area I've always wanted a house in.
Yes I know either system doesn't guarantee me a spot at being able to transfer over to Ishgard. And its not like that is another house gone, mine would be open and in the coveted Shirogane!
Again, maybe its just my paranoia, but I don't like the idea of the servers deciding my fate vs me having a chance to grab one on opening day at my own pace and such.

[Musings]

Agreed with the first two posters here.

Please make SOME of the first wards in 6.1 FCFS.

Many of us have been waiting specifically for Ishgard with the intention of relocating to ISHGARD. I got a house with the intention of moving to my dream city of Ishgard. We are NOT taking an extra house away, we are simply moving, and our old plot will be available for someone else to win. I want the chance to fight for a relocated plot MYSELF and not leave it all to RNG. Please just give us this chance to try of our own volition to win a house and not just leave it all up to chance. PLEASE MAKE SOME OF THE WARDS IN ISHGARD'S 6.1 RELEASE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE!

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Agreed with the first two posters here.

Please make SOME of the first wards in 6.1 FCFS.

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

[TwistedTea]

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

This is false. Lodestone data shows that across data centers 70% of the houses are owned as personals. Out of the 30% of the houses which are owned by FCs, less than 1% of those are owned by FCs of fewer than 4 members:
https://www.xivhousing.com/monthly-statistics

I do agree that workshop access should not be tied to housing.

[Yodada]

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

And still have we 70% Personal Houses and only 30% FC Houses. Yeah those bad Solo-FCs. /s

[Viedyn]

I say this as someone who has only ever tried to purchase two houses (one personal one fc) and succeeded both times because my ADHD superpower is clicking buttons quickly and accurately, apparently -

The first house I beat 7 bots, the second house I beat almost 20. It is RIDICULOUS and DISGUSTING how many people are botting in an attempt to purchase housing, leaving honest players to sit in the same position for HOURS on end. It is unhealthy and dangerous for people to sit so long without getting up. I sat for 9 hours on the first house and had to ice my hand for several hours afterwards to get full motion back. I couldn't even type to thank the people who congratulated me when I won because I was in so much pain. There needs to be a lottery system and it needs to apply to all housing. I'm actually disappointed they would even consider keeping a first-come-first-serve system like what we have now.

Being fast and sitting for hours right now doesn't even guarantee you a house because it isn't about who clicks fastest it's about who clicks at the EXACT TIME the server makes the house available. I would rather be able to submit an entry and go play the game and live my life and not worry about it. It's the same odds as if I was there clicking anyway. I have no desire to inflict the risk of health issues on any more people.

Edit: and they explained on the livestream why they don't want to start with open/available FCFS lots, it's going to create a lot of congestion and log in issues on popular servers. Unless they can prove that we're not going to have an endwalker login queue extreme repeat, I wouldn't support it. If they can prove only a few hundred people intend to run for the first houses, then I'll support it. I just hate the FCFS timer system.

[Lecru]

I say this as someone who has only ever tried to purchase two houses (one personal one fc) and succeeded both times because my ADHD superpower is clicking buttons quickly and accurately, apparently -

The first house I beat 7 bots, the second house I beat almost 20. It is RIDICULOUS and DISGUSTING how many people are botting in an attempt to purchase housing, leaving honest players to sit in the same position for HOURS on end. It is unhealthy and dangerous for people to sit so long without getting up. I sat for 9 hours on the first house and had to ice my hand for several hours afterwards to get full motion back. I couldn't even type to thank the people who congratulated me when I won because I was in so much pain. There needs to be a lottery system and it needs to apply to all housing. I'm actually disappointed they would even consider keeping a first-come-first-serve system like what we have now.

Edit: and they explained on the livestream why they don't want to start with open/available FCFS lots, it's going to create a lot of congestion and log in issues on popular servers. Unless they can prove that we're not going to have an endwalker login queue extreme repeat, I wouldn't support it. If they can prove only a few hundred people intend to run for the first houses, then I'll support it. I just hate the FCFS timer system.

Being fast and sitting for hours right now doesn't even guarantee you a house because it isn't about who clicks fastest it's about who clicks at the EXACT TIME the server makes the house available. I would rather be able to submit an entry and go play the game and live my life and not worry about it. It's the same odds as if I was there clicking anyway. I have no desire to inflict the risk of health issues on any more people.

I don't think you understand how odds work if you think going against 2 to 5 bots is the same as your number being pulled out of a lottery of hundreds on a plot.

[Viedyn]

I don't think you understand how odds work if you think going against 2 to 5 bots is the same as your number being pulled out of a lottery of hundreds on a plot.

I don't know where you THINK there are ever as few as 2 bots clicking on a housing sign. My point is that a system which requires the player to sit for DANGEROUS periods of time for the CHANCE they MIGHT ping the server at EXACTLY the correct time is a lottery in and of itself. You are correct that 5 bots clicking is better odds than 100 players entering a lottery. That being said you have absolutely zero proof that Ishgard will SOMEHOW be so unpopular that only 2 people are clicking on a placard, ever, in the entire time the house is available.

I am also not willing to hurt other people for better odds NOR am I willing to support a system that ENCOURAGES botting and griefing other players for better odds. I had people fly minions in my face for hours, set off their loudest and most obnoxious abilities in my face for hours, do anything and EVERYTHING to interfere with the placard including jumping all over it and parking mounts on top of it. All of which can be circumvented but it is annoying and griefing none-the-less. It's a terrible system on multiple levels that cannot be gone fast enough.

Once again as I said in my edit if they want to open a few wards as READY-TO-BUY-NO-TIMERS and they can absolutely guarantee there will be no queue issues that's fine. I'll support that. I will not support asking people to risk their health for a crummy system that's basically a lottery anyway except you have to waste time on it instead of entering and moving on.

[Musings]

I don't know where you THINK there are ever as few as 2 bots clicking on a housing sign. My point is that a system which requires the player to sit for DANGEROUS periods of time for the CHANCE they MIGHT ping the server at EXACTLY the correct time is a lottery in and of itself. You are correct that 5 bots clicking is better odds than 100 players entering a lottery. That being said you have absolutely zero proof that Ishgard will SOMEHOW be so unpopular that only 2 people are clicking on a placard, ever, in the entire time the house is available.

I am also not willing to hurt other people for better odds NOR am I willing to support a system that ENCOURAGES botting and griefing other players for better odds. I had people fly minions in my face for hours, set off their loudest and most obnoxious abilities in my face for hours, do anything and EVERYTHING to interfere with the placard including jumping all over it and parking mounts on top of it. All of which can be circumvented but it is annoying and griefing none-the-less. It's a terrible system on multiple levels that cannot be gone fast enough.

Once again as I said in my edit if they want to open a few wards as READY-TO-BUY-NO-TIMERS and they can absolutely guarantee there will be no queue issues that's fine. I'll support that. I will not support asking people to risk their health for a crummy system that's basically a lottery anyway except you have to waste time on it instead of entering and moving on.

But first come first serve is not the unhealthy clicking you’re talking about. They aren’t doing that anymore at all. First come first serve doesn’t require hours of clicking unhealthily at a placard. It means you get a chance when the patch drops of Ishgard’s new plots, just like with all the other new ward releases from previous patches. And that’s all we’re asking for - some of the new wards in the new Ishgard district to be FCFS, and then all the other plots will be lottery. No clicking for hours in either case.