Gearing up in this game takes way too long in my opinion.

[Katt_Felista]

I just wish i hadn't to level up Alts just to gear every role of the trinity when i want to switch from Healer / Tank / DPS in all tiers of a new savage raid / content.

I don't think it's normal that you have to be stuck like a full 8 weeks if unlucky to gear entirely one character and your alt trinity jobs (Heal / Dps) suffer from this system where you can't get some type of 1 1 1 separate token for each, it could be easily made into a system, at least, that gives you a different type of coffer / chests for each role you finish a raid with.

You clear as Tank, you can roll on 1 or 2 chests.

Clear as dps ? You can then roll on 1 or 2 chests.

Clearing as heal ? Same thing.

Shouldn't be that "hard" to lock chests to the trinity job you enter in on these raids. SE is already trying to make you have "everything" going on on a single character, this type of system would just be completely in line with this.

[Vortuna]

The people defending this trash savage loot system are the dps in statics, and people who roll 99 on loot every week.

[localareanetwork]

I should have clarified that I wouldn't have much issues with it taking 16 weeks to get BiS if that's how it worked for everyone. But obviously you can just get lucky and have your BiS within a couple weeks.

[Raven2014]

The people defending this trash savage loot system are the dps in statics, and people who roll 99 on loot every week.

Or the people making such assumption should consider taking a class a statistic.

[Sicno]

Or the people making such assumption should consider taking a class a statistic.

Ok, I actually went to look at the probabilities and yes, as the weeks go on the chances of getting neither of the coffers are very low. 5% by week 10, 1% by week 14. So you were right on it being extreme cases. My bad, It did seem more likely without the actual numbers.


...All that said, if there's something I've learned in all my years of playing this game is that the RNG is very messed up and many times probabilities mean nothing in it

And either way like I said before, they HAVE made improvements on the loot system so I don't see why those improvements need to stop. It's a lot better now but it could still be better. Also remember this is a MMO and there's a lot of people playing, even that 1% (within the X% who raids on pf) is gonna be a lot of people royally pissed off.

[localareanetwork]

Ok, I actually went to look at the probabilities and yes, as the weeks go on the chances of getting neither of the coffers are very low. 5% by week 10, 1% by week 14. So you were right on it being extreme cases. My bad, It did seem more likely without the actual numbers.


...All that said, if there's something I've learned in all my years of playing this game is that the RNG is very messed up and many times probabilities mean nothing in it

And either way like I said before, they HAVE made improvements on the loot system so I don't see why those improvements need to stop. It's a lot better now but it could still be better. Also remember this is a MMO and there's a lot of people playing, even that 1% (within the X% who raids on pf) is gonna be a lot of people royally pissed off.

As I said the thing I particularly have a gripe with is how the progression of gear isn't standardized and someone could be leagues ahead of you just because they got lucky, even if they got carried. It's not a good feeling at all and you just feel cheated. Gear may "not matter" sure but if that's the case why not at least equalize the obtainability of the gear to be less RNG overall?

[Sicno]

As I said the thing I particularly have a gripe with is how the progression of gear isn't standardized and someone could be leagues ahead of you just because they got lucky, even if they got carried. It's not a good feeling at all and you just feel cheated. Gear may "not matter" sure but if that's the case why not at least equalize the obtainability of the gear to be less RNG overall?

I know, I agree with you. And it shouldn't be forgotten that we're talking weeks after getting the 1st clear, the prog alone can take months for some people and then you add all those weeks to get the loot.

[DiaDeem]

Are you in a rush or something?

[ZedxKayn]

Are you in a rush or something?

Yes, actually. I'd like to not to have to reclear for such a massive amount of weeks if I want to gear even a second job properly when the game boasts about having nearly 20 combat jobs.

[kaynide]

The "it's not necessary" argument applies to pretty much anything in this game, that doesn't mean we shouldn't want any of that stuff.

That's the thing though, there's a difference between "Need" and "Want". There is a difference between "You must have X iLVL to do Y content", or "you need to clear this duty to do the next thing", and "I really want this because it looks good even though it will be completely obsolete in a matter of months".

Nothing wrong with wanting anything for wants sake, but it should be clear that when people say the gear is unnecessary, it's because it is absolutely not needed to do other content/progress the game. You will never NEED this gear to be able to get into a something else. Indeed, it ultimately becomes replaced quite quickly.