Yoshi-P...Please listen to your subscribers

**Hiruke** · 05-16-2012 01:02 PM

The question is, how many subscribers need to leave before SE will realize that the current drop rate "system" is just about as stupid as humanly possible? What is it going to take? If half the current subs decide to bail as soon as 2.0 hits? If, on top of that, half or more of the new subs bounce after the free trial ends? Will we just keep slogging along until we're down to a single world?

You want to know why there are 213049823049283 threads? Because it seems SE can't be convinced of such an obvious idea: That the terribad drop rate is not something anyone who seriously pursues endgame wants. Crank up the difficulty instead. Do we need 100% drop rate? Not necessarily. But if any of you guys at SE would seriously enjoy fighting Ifrit 200 times just to get one weapon, well, good on you. I don't even want to fight Garuda 20 or 40 times or whatever to get one. You'll be the only guys playing this game a year from now. Not that I think any of you play it now, or else the drop rate wouldn't be so abysmal. Seriously? I mean, just think about it from a larger perspective. If you have to clear every single piece of content 20 to 500 times to get the stuff you want, how on earth is anyone ever going to get anywhere when there is more than like 2 things to do?

**Trollestia** · 05-16-2012 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rizon

I have read countless threads in which players complain bitterly about drop rates. They are abysmal, even by SEs standards.

I really hope this is a joke. Are you like trying to get Darklight bodies and can't do the speed run? LOL

I got my full set less than a month after CC and AV came out and don't even get me started on Garuda.

**indira** · 05-16-2012 01:37 PM

for the OP.

the game is already paid for, were just paying for there service there giving us.
theres alot of people who already have everything just because you dont play as much as them does not entitle you to the same as them just because your paying to play the game. if we all had everything no one will play at all.

when your game is all instances people get all the drops and never do it again, then they end up moving on to the next game.

**TheFatHousecat** · 05-16-2012 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Trollestia

I really hope this is a joke. Are you like trying to get Darklight bodies and can't do the speed run? LOL

I got my full set less than a month after CC and AV came out and don't even get me started on Garuda.

The drop rate for DL is actually extremely low; it's based on luck, so perhaps you're lucky? My LS has been doing 5 chest runs every day since AV/CC for at least 4 hours a day and we've just barely been able to outfit one or two people for their mains. And there are plenty of people with worse rates than us, I'm sure.

**Rizon** · 05-16-2012 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by indira

for the OP.

the game is already paid for, were just paying for there service there giving us.
theres alot of people who already have everything just because you dont play as much as them does not entitle you to the same as them just because your paying to play the game. if we all had everything no one will play at all.

when your game is all instances people get all the drops and never do it again, then they end up moving on to the next game.

1. This game may be paid for, Ver 2.0 is not. For it to survive past launch SE will need a steady income from subscribers. All I have been trying to say is that Yoshida needs to address the concerns of a large number of current players. You may rest assured that the demographics we see now will carry over and could have an adverse effect on the future of the game. How the Dev Team addresses this problem is there concern. It just needs to be addressed.

2. to the second part of your post. I turned 65 today and I am retired. I play this game, on an average, about 8 hours a day. It is not a concern to me wether I get this gear or not. I get more enjoyment out of beating the various content and continuing to develope my character. F.Y.I. the only significant drop I have gotten so far is the Mogfork and I have completed everything multiple times except for Garuda.

**RiseAgainst** · 05-16-2012 02:30 PM

why does every 1 whine about drop rate it's not that bad. i like 1-5% drop rates make the game more challenging and rewarding because you don't got a bunch of people running around with same armour

**Denmo** · 05-16-2012 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Rizon

I turned 65 today and I am retired.

Happy birthday! Man, I wish I was retired in this day and age. So many ways to fill in the free time.

Unfortunately you're not going to get very far by arguing that the majority of players will leave if this continues. The majority of players will grumble and moan, maybe, but those that have already done the raid 20+ times are likely to keep doing it, and do the new content that rolls out next patch and in 2.0.

If it's not fun, why are people playing it over and over? Why are you?

(that's a rhetorical question, I'm not looking for an answer)

**Aion** · 05-16-2012 03:18 PM

how about use achievement to get the points than can be traded to token(s) that can be traded with the gear?
just like
-survive the fight without death (for primals/dungeon)
-all class present/max 2 same class on the party (for primals /dungeon)
-no changing class during run (dungeon)
-have Paladin that receive most damage and did not die during fight (primal/dungeon)
-have WHM and no party member die during the fight
-have BLM/DRG/MNK/WAR/BRD with total damage minimum xxx (depends on job) damage and without pulling hate (or pulling hate can reduce the points)
-have BRD successfully cast x amount of buffs during the fight
-etc...

with this devs and player can define what challenges that can be presented and how can players get rewards for the performance...well the idea something like that...balance is a must.

**YuriSan** · 05-16-2012 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

like this?

Ya all these threads definetly prove that there is nothing wrong with the current drop rate...

The peeps that say the dont have an issue with it atm are either:

#1 Insane
#2 Haven't got a job and can dedicate 22/24 hours a day to the game.
#3 Don't care to complete a full set of DL before they become 72 years old.
#4 Got lucky as hell and got all drops in two days.
#5 Are leads in a linkshell in which they decide on how DL is going to be distributed. (Getting everything for themselves)

They sure aren't:

#1 Trying to get a single DL to drop spamming the raids from the second they log on till the logging off time and still haven't got a single piece to show for it.

#2 Haven't had a random person come in the PT with them and get a drop out of nowhere just to "Disconnect" after it goes in his loot list.

#3 Only have about 5 hrs gametime per day but still want to be as endgame hardcore as possible having a full set.

And ya Nobody!! is asking for 100% drop rate you JOKES! nobody is asking for 50% or 40%.
It's more like 8% or 10%...........................

Like seriously. u blind?

Originally Posted by Trollestia

I really hope this is a joke. Are you like trying to get Darklight bodies and can't do the speed run? LOL

I got my full set less than a month after CC and AV came out and don't even get me started on Garuda.

No not a joke look into other threads about this matter... People (including myself) are doing CC > AV back and forth not wasting 15 mins on cooldown and still havent got 1!!!!!! DL drop dude.

And to answer a question.
We don't find it fun anymore. we ace that crap however we want the gear.
Thats the reason we keep doing it even if it's not fun to us anymore...
We start the day in Eorzea hoping that we will get a DL drop today and then the exhausting day ends and we havent got any...
We get pissed off after 15 runs of no DL whatsoever.
Then we log off sleep it off, go to work, return, log in fresh saying
"today imma get some DL, i can smell it"
After an excruciating day we log off pissed off again cause of 0 drops. AGAIN!
Not like it's difficult anymore. it's just stupid and sad at this point...

**kazaran** · 05-16-2012 09:53 PM

Try working 12 hour shifts and seeing how much time you have. I like rfits award system better, you got coin drops from the raid, when enough were accumilated you traded them in for each level of gear. WHen you ahd the first set you traded that plus each peice in for the upgrade tier.

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