"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Venjenz]

This.

Pretty much after level 32, you have all the W2W tools you need. Default mode for tank (should be) = pull it all.

Now, while we are having a fun tank bash...apparently none of the perfect DPS and perfect healers that haunt these forums make it into my DF randoms, because I can tell you that not every group handles W2W the same. I pull and get no heals at all. I pull and the DPS stay in single target. Wearing max gear for my xpac/level in every slot, pop every mitgator, use a heal potion, dodge AEs, the whole nine...still die. Just sayin...

[Kes13a]

This.

Pretty much after level 32, you have all the W2W tools you need. Default mode for tank (should be) = pull it all.

Now, while we are having a fun tank bash...apparently none of the perfect DPS and perfect healers that haunt these forums make it into my DF randoms, because I can tell you that not every group handles W2W the same. I pull and get no heals at all. I pull and the DPS stay in single target. Wearing max gear for my xpac/level in every slot, pop every mitgator, use a heal potion, dodge AEs, the whole nine...still die. Just sayin...

I am far from a perfect healer even though its my main, but if you truly know how to mitigate and avoid most of the aoes and even manage to repair your gear on occasion, I guarantee I will not let you die.

managed to keep people alive that barely know even one of those requirements so you should be easy peasy

[Venjenz]

I am far from a perfect healer even though its my main, but if you truly know how to mitigate and avoid most of the aoes and even manage to repair your gear on occasion, I guarantee I will not let you die.

managed to keep people alive that barely know even one of those requirements so you should be easy peasy

No forum healer or forum DPS ever screws up. I already acknowledged that. In the actual game however, with my gear well over the iLvl max for the dungeon (and I queue in front of the mender in Limsa so I literally repair after every single DF), doing the mitigations, avoiding the bad, etc...I have died to trash because healers straight forgot they were on their healer alt and not their DPS main, or BOTH of the DPS stayed single target because why not, etc. Now, in the actual game, when stuff like that happens, everyone generally gets along fine and the perpetrator of the latest "whoops, my bad" calls it out and everything proceeds fine from there, but it does happen...really.

I admit to screwing up tanking, here and there. Absolutely, guilty as charged. Even in spots where I know better and have done the dungeon dozens of times, I still do the occasional herpity derp. The one time I forgot to turn on the tank stance buff, Arum Vale...lol. I apologized profusely after first pull got the healer whacked. The first (and last) time I ran so far around a corner in Dzemael (to do the LoS break) that I outran my healer's range and got smoked...whoops. The occasional (hate this) where I outrun 1-2 stragglers in my W2W pack and they straight smoke my healer before I recognize. Eep. Again, profuse apologies. Oh yeah, personal nightmare...ice floors. Any boss that does the slip and slide thing....I turn 100% n00blet like it's my first day playing video games ever. And yeah, in some spots like Aurum Vale or other optional/hardmode dungeons, W2W is dicey and cannot just be assumed....but it isn't always the tank's fault. That's all I am saying. DF stories happen for lots of reasons.

[DayHealer]

Pretty much after level 32, you have all the W2W tools you need. Default mode for tank (should be) = pull it all.

Except in Aurum Vale.

[Zebraoracle]

Except in Aurum Vale.

Aurum Vale is fine if you're not brand new to it/party has decent gear. Just pull through the first room to the boss's room and line of sight everything in that little corner and AoE it down, just like every other dungeon. Every other pull in the dungeon is standard fare. AV isn't the boogieman people make it out to be.

[Nestama]

One thing people could do in AV is just... sac the tank at the first boss room. Tank runs ahead of everyone, pulls everything in the designated path and then tries to survive until they reach the boss room. Everyone else can safely run to the boss room and do nothing until the tank needs to be res'd.

[Venjenz]

Except in Aurum Vale.

Yeah, but AV first room generally is easy, just pull to left side of each frog and stay there until pack is dead, move to next frog, don't stand in the bad. And it could be W2W'd, but in a random you cannot assume that your team is necessarily up to it, and doing the "pack per frog" thing might extend the run by 40-50 seconds? Across the level range, there are some dungeons that have a similar "you can do it, but is it worth it" section or two where caution makes more sense. If those spots honk the DPS off...cool, go pull for me if you think we got this. We'll see. If we pull it off, good for them and I now know I was being too cautious. Nothing better than git'ing gud, yeah?

[TBerry]

Yeah, but AV first room generally is easy, just pull to left side of each frog and stay there until pack is dead, move to next frog, don't stand in the bad. And it could be W2W'd, but in a random you cannot assume that your team is necessarily up to it, and doing the "pack per frog" thing might extend the run by 40-50 seconds? Across the level range, there are some dungeons that have a similar "you can do it, but is it worth it" section or two where caution makes more sense. If those spots honk the DPS off...cool, go pull for me if you think we got this. We'll see. If we pull it off, good for them and I now know I was being too cautious. Nothing better than git'ing gud, yeah?

The first thing I do when I tank and get Aurum Vale is say "Stick to the wall".

[Zebraoracle]

There is no puller role (in fact hall of the novice says dps should pull and bring to the tank, sooo...) and YPYT is against the TOS...

[DayHealer]

in fact hall of the novice says dps should pull and bring to the tank, sooo...

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