"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Miracle_Diva]

most casuals dictate to the minority how to play the game. Minority listening? Usially I hear a bad noise from hardcore gamers. And they don't really want to respect the majority.

I need examples or screenshots. Please provide.

[Kyasunshine]

I need examples or screenshots. Please provide.

I don't think I have a catalog on this topic. This is a summary of everything I've read. Casuals want to play. And hardcore players complain that the game is getting easier and playing classes is getting easier. I think the lack of parsers in the game exists for this reason. The authors say they do not want conflicts on this topic. But people still find third-party tools and use them to do it. Of course, not in the game itself, but it is enough to read people who laugh at casual games and their gameplay in order to understand how bad everything is.

Balance discord - raid chat and ton of laughts cuz somebody use only 3 TBN per raid etc.

Let's say I'm a casual MT. Went into normal raid. The boss is in the wrong place. How many seconds will it take before the hardcore "correct" player shows me my spot and takes the boss? 1 or 2? What will I learn during this time?

I will note. Casual (sprout), whether a player without an icon or an ultima weapon, according to my statistics, has never taken the boss even if he is not standing correctly. Casual understand casual. Hardcore player think only about "all must be right all must be like I want". YEP maybe same atmosphere like "toxic casuals" - BUT it - same. Both sides are wrong and both sides must think about them moves.

I confirm. These examples are not strong arguments. Just a discussion for the sake of finding the truth.

But anyway what we do with tank healer want 1 pulls. 2 DPS want W2W? Interesting moment. And I thing DPS just compelled to agree. Ofc on forum dps can write like "I leave from that garbage group 30 min penalty better than single pulls". But its just forum where you can write all what you want without honesty. In any case, I will be one of those who will always support the tank. And always support the sprout. Sprout is a enjoy man who have a curious and I like it.

[Nestama]

most casuals dictate to the minority how to play the game. Minority listening? Usially I hear a bad noise from hardcore gamers. And they don't really want to respect the majority.

I am a casual player, mate. I play maybe once or twice a week (in total 1-4 hours a week).

[Kyasunshine]

I am a casual player, mate. I play maybe once or twice a week (in total 1-4 hours a week).

Yes. The method of different casuals also exists. It depends on what we classify as casual. For me, the one who knows how to rotate for dps or a tank is no longer casual. He already thought about the guide and practiced.

A casual is someone who presses different buttons in fighting games and knows several tricks to launch a rocket or freeze the enemy. Knowledge of combos, frames and other things I already refer to the concept n...hardcore players)

[Miracle_Diva]

I don't think I have a catalog on this topic. This is a summary of everything I've read. Casuals want to play. And hardcore players complain that the game is getting easier and playing classes is getting easier. I think the lack of parsers in the game exists for this reason. The authors say they do not want conflicts on this topic. But people still find third-party tools and use them to do it. Of course, not in the game itself, but it is enough to read people who laugh at casual games and their gameplay in order to understand how bad everything is.

Even casuals complain about the game getting easier. It's just how things are.
Again, provide examples of people using third party tools and use them to make conflict.

Balance discord - raid chat and ton of laughts cuz somebody use only 3 TBN per raid etc.

Balance discord =/= game. People there mostly focus on raiding. You know, savage stuff.

Let's say I'm a casual MT. Went into normal raid. The boss is in the wrong place. How many seconds will it take before the hardcore "correct" player shows me my spot and takes the boss? 1 or 2? What will I learn during this time?

What's "casual MT"? You either tank boss facing it from the group or you don't. No casual would be happy about boss being moved around or spinned, casuals play melees too.

I will note. Casual (sprout), whether a player without an icon or an ultima weapon, according to my statistics, has never taken the boss even if he is not standing correctly. Casual understand casual. Hardcore player think only about "all must be right all must be like I want". YEP maybe same atmosphere like "toxic casuals" - BUT it - same. Both sides are wrong and both sides must think about them moves.

So it's toxic casuals now? How do you even know what hardcore players think?

I confirm. These examples are not strong arguments. Just a discussion for the sake of finding the truth.

Confusion.

[Xirean]

A couple things here.

Let's say I'm a casual MT. Went into normal raid. The boss is in the wrong place. How many seconds will it take before the hardcore "correct" player shows me my spot and takes the boss? 1 or 2? What will I learn during this time?

Bosses switching targets is rarely the case of someone "miss positioning" it. It's much more likely that the other tank just didn't turn their stance off. It doesn't take a "hardcore player" to do that, anybody can make the mistake of leaving their stance on.

Casual understand casual. Hardcore player think only about "all must be right all must be like I want". YEP maybe same atmosphere like "toxic casuals" - BUT it - same. Both sides are wrong and both sides must think about them moves.

I have to disagree with this logic here. Someone spending more/less time in the game doesn't give them a magical understanding of people with a similar amount of play time. Two "casual" players can and will disagree about how to approach a situation and the same as also true of two "hardcore" players.

Balance discord - raid chat and ton of laughts cuz somebody use only 3 TBN per raid etc.

I don't condone this behavior but it doesn't take an external tool to do this. It's very easy to just watch someone use/not use certain abilities throughout an instance. Watching for that stuff is one of the things I do to gauge how well the party is doing or to determine who I will give a commendation to (not that they matter, but I think they are fun).

[Nestama]

Yes. The method of different casuals also exists. It depends on what we classify as casual. For me, the one who knows how to rotate for dps or a tank is no longer casual. He already thought about the guide and practiced.

So I stopped being a casual player from learning how to play a game (on my own by reading the tool tips and practising on a dummy)...? Huh? Are you saying casual players can only be bad?

[Kyasunshine]

Even casuals complain about the game getting easier. It's just how things are.
Again, provide examples of people using third party tools and use them to make conflict.


Balance discord =/= game. People there mostly focus on raiding. You know, savage stuff.


What's "casual MT"? You either tank boss facing it from the group or you don't. No casual would be happy about boss being moved around or spinned, casuals play melees too.


So it's toxic casuals now? How do you even know what hardcore players think?

Confusion.

1) Balance discord players play FF. They on same place with me in game. And any player can do it. So I not separater that moment. Any player can loading my logs and discuss without my consent.

2) Casual MT is a who may be do blind run or positions the boss not due north. Who don't do cool dps numbers etc.

3) Watch on 1 point or you can watch reddit and another resourses where SE can't ban players. All hardcore players like themselvs and they like speak like casuals soooo bad lool.

Just my experience of inet searching.

[Ravenblade1979]

You know whats hilarious. through this whole thing i have said multiple times the ypyt mentality is toxic. no one bats an eye but i bring up the other side of "if 3/4 people agree that its a fast run then the 4th can suck it up, leave or be reported" is toxic as well. You all lose it and in every post try to defend your position. Its like you are taking a video game way too seriously. Everyone pays their sub. everyone plays their own way lol. I learned that after a long time of playing you have to be ready to adjust to whatever party makeup you end up in. People aren't cookie cutter on this game and thats the one point you all seemingly falter on reading. I don't care that the tank kit is laughably easy now. If that tank wishes to pull, who actually cares. mobs don't give anything and the exp/bonus/tomes you get in the run and after finishing doesn't change at all. maybe get off the forums and go touch actual grass. goto a movie. do something else lol.

[Miracle_Diva]

1) Balance discord players play FF. They on same place with me in game. And any player can do it. So I not separater that moment. Any player can loading my logs and discuss without my consent.

2) Casual MT is a who may be do blind run or positions the boss not due north. Who don't do cool dps numbers etc.

3) Watch on 1 point or you can watch reddit and another resourses where SE can't ban players. All hardcore players like themselvs and they like speak like casuals soooo bad lool.

Just my experience of inet searching.

Do you do savage? Or ultimate? What kind of logs would anyone would discuss about you if you don't do any of that?

People prefer boss facing north because 1 person moving is better than 7 people moving through the boss because the tank couldn't be bothered. Plus less chances to cleave everyone with an upcoming attack.

Show examples. Or stop throwing random accusations around.

maybe get off the forums and go touch actual grass. goto a movie. do something else lol.

Sometimes you've got to start with yourself first.