The many offences of chocobo stables

[inopinatus]

As a recent first-time estate owner I was quickly dismayed by the many issues with chocobo stables.

To start with, they're ugly. It's a rustic wooden shed with straw on the floor. Were they designed to intentionally match a peasant medieval inn? They sure don't work with my FC's brand new cafe walls, or my private forge cottage.

Next, they're absurdly bulky. The stables occupy a massive chunk of the available land. This especially penalises cottages which have few options to design around the huge aesthetic wart. On private estates it seems especially absurd to carve off so much real-estate area for stabling one or two personal birds.

They're ridiculously priced. 125k for a wooden shed? And no, they can't be crafted.

It gets worse. There are mechanics the game doesn't tell us about, that make the price not merely high, but downright insulting. Because you can't even store them, once placed, nor remove to inventory. Nope, if you regret the installation, it can only be destroyed. This is not mentioned in any tooltip, and the confirmation dialog that vaguely hints at it is almost identical to the usual one - good luck spotting the difference, let alone realising what it meant. Instead, you find out at the worst possible time, that is, once already purchased, installed and occupying a large chunk of land and 5% of your item slots.

If that wasn't bad enough, the game misleads you about the design possibilities. In preview mode, you can place them in areas that aren't actually permitted with the real item. Hours later you discover the design you had in mind is impossible to achieve. If it was cheap, or storable, this could be slightly less affronting - but only slightly.

To sum up, I quickly determined that chocobo stables are ugly, bulky, expensive, constraining, misleading, and defective.

As far as I can tell they haven't changed much (or at all) since ARR? I'm calling for a rethink.

[MistyMew]

An update to them would be a welcome for sure

-also I clean my stables to a glistening shiny perfection..they remain empty for a short time and they need cleaning again? wtf i think not.
-the "clean" state should remain until there are chocobos in it, pooping and peeing and making a mess.

-its a silly qol thing that has irritated me for a long time.
no choco=no messy mess

[Jojoya]

I completely agree they're pretty ugly but the rest of your complaints make little sense. I get the impression you've never seen stables in real life. They take up significantly more room and generally are rustic in appearance (usually because that's the best way to construct to keep an unattended and panicked animal from damaging itself severely and then make it easy to repair).

Price is fine - it's a gil sink and if you have a house then you can also be growing shards to earn the purchase price back within a few days.

I'd be interested in seeing examples of positions you've placed the stable in Preview mode but can't use in actual placement. You might need to place the stable first then any furnishings you want adjacent using a storage glitch due to item collision.

Certainly I won't object if SE wants to add new styles of stables (just like I'd love them to add a new 8 slot garden patch without the ugly scarecrow) but if they're going to do it, I'd want the look to at least be somewhat realistic. If they made the chocobo stables any smaller, I'd be looking for the Eorzean SPCA so I could report the owner.

If the stable appearance and size bothers you that much, don't have one in your yard. Use the stable at your apartment building or FC house instead. That comes with the added bonus of other players being able to help train your chocobo so it will gain ranks faster.

An update to them would be a welcome for sure

-also I clean my stables to a glistening shiny perfection..they remain empty for a short time and they need cleaning again? wtf i think not.
-the "clean" state should remain until there are chocobos in it, pooping and peeing and making a mess.

-its a silly qol thing that has irritated me for a long time.
no choco=no messy mess

Messy mess is still going to happen with various small wildlife checking out the stable without the chocobo there to scare them off and weather conditions shifting things around (rain is very good at this and the small roof on the stable is not going to keep rain away from the bottom). It wouldn't happen quite as fast but it definitely would happen.

[inopinatus]

I get the impression you've never seen stables in real life. They take up significantly more room and generally are rustic in appearance (usually because that's the best way to construct to keep an unattended and panicked animal from damaging itself severely and then make it easy to repair).

Price is fine - it's a gil sink and if you have a house then you can also be growing shards to earn the purchase price back within a few days.

I'd be interested in seeing examples of positions you've placed the stable in Preview mode but can't use in actual placement. You might need to place the stable first then any furnishings you want adjacent using a storage glitch due to item collision.

Certainly I won't object if SE wants to add new styles of stables (just like I'd love them to add a new 8 slot garden patch without the ugly scarecrow) but if they're going to do it, I'd want the look to at least be somewhat realistic. If they made the chocobo stables any smaller, I'd be looking for the Eorzean SPCA so I could report the owner.

If the stable appearance and size bothers you that much, don't have one in your yard. Use the stable at your apartment building or FC house instead. That comes with the added bonus of other players being able to help train your chocobo so it will gain ranks faster.


Messy mess is still going to happen with various small wildlife checking out the stable without the chocobo there to scare them off and weather conditions shifting things around (rain is very good at this and the small roof on the stable is not going to keep rain away from the bottom). It wouldn't happen quite as fast but it definitely would happen.

Thanks for your supercilious attitude, but no, I ride horses IRL thanks, and our local stables don't look anything like this, they have stone walls, ceramic roof, and metal doors. What's more, that suggestion "bothers you that much, don't have one" is just plain toxic. Please rethink your attitude.

It's especially hilarious hearing people fall back on "realism" arguments of any kind in a fantasy universe. For a FC house these stables house an unrealistic 512 chocobo. Which is, by the way, a completely fictional creature. I also have a giant living lotus parasol, a towering glowing pink marshmallow, a pet dragon, and a flying tank. How's that for realism?

[Jojoya]

Thanks for your supercilious attitude, but no, I ride horses IRL thanks, and our local stables don't look anything like this, they have stone walls, ceramic roof, and metal doors. What's more, that suggestion "bothers you that much, don't have one" is just plain toxic. Please rethink your attitude.

It's especially hilarious hearing people fall back on "realism" arguments of any kind in a fantasy universe. For a FC house these stables house an unrealistic 512 chocobo. Which is, by the way, a completely fictional creature. I also have a giant living lotus parasol, a towering glowing pink marshmallow, a pet dragon, and a flying tank. How's that for realism?

How nice, you've ridden horses a few times. I grew up with them and cared for them daily. Horses can spook far too easily for any sane and humane person to keep them stabled in a stone enclosure. They would severely injure themselves trying to escape in a panic. Most commercial riding stables do not have the best track record when it comes to the safety of their horses and euthanasia happens far too often. Hopefully the one you use has proper stables nearby for the horses when they're not on display for customers who are impressed by pretty stone walls.

It's not toxic to tell someone if they don't like something, then don't get it. That's solid, practical advice. It makes no sense to encourage a person to waste money on something they can only complain about.

Most fantasy has a basis in reality. Garden parasols created more for art than for function can be found in fanciful shapes so the Lotus Parasol won't raise any eyebrows. Your "towering pink marshmallow" could be a trimmed Weeping Cherry Tree in real life. Dragons are based on lizards and birds, tanks are actual vehicles and with the way technology is going they might well be capable of flight some day.

Like I said, I don't have problems with SE adding new styles for stables but they still need that dose of realism (Eorzean "reality") so they accurately represent what they're supposed to be.

[Iscah]

What's more, that suggestion "bothers you that much, don't have one" is just plain toxic. Please rethink your attitude.

They followed that statement in the same paragraph with an explanation of what you can do instead. There is no need to take up space on your personal garden if your FC has a stable, which it probably does. The stable is visually and functionally designed to house multiple chocobos, not just your own.

Also, 125,000 gil is really not much money in the overall scheme of the game, especially for what is intended to be a permanent functional fixture, ideally shared by multiple people. Its appearance is irrelevant when you need it for what it does.

[not_ya_wify]

As a recent first-time estate owner I was quickly dismayed by the many issues with chocobo stables.

To start with, they're ugly. It's a rustic wooden shed with straw on the floor. Were they designed to intentionally match a peasant medieval inn? They sure don't work with my FC's brand new cafe walls, or my private forge cottage.

Next, they're absurdly bulky. The stables occupy a massive chunk of the available land. This especially penalises cottages which have few options to design around the huge aesthetic wart. On private estates it seems especially absurd to carve off so much real-estate area for stabling one or two personal birds.

They're ridiculously priced. 125k for a wooden shed? And no, they can't be crafted.

It gets worse. There are mechanics the game doesn't tell us about, that make the price not merely high, but downright insulting. Because you can't even store them, once placed, nor remove to inventory. Nope, if you regret the installation, it can only be destroyed. This is not mentioned in any tooltip, and the confirmation dialog that vaguely hints at it is almost identical to the usual one - good luck spotting the difference, let alone realising what it meant. Instead, you find out at the worst possible time, that is, once already purchased, installed and occupying a large chunk of land and 5% of your item slots.

If that wasn't bad enough, the game misleads you about the design possibilities. In preview mode, you can place them in areas that aren't actually permitted with the real item. Hours later you discover the design you had in mind is impossible to achieve. If it was cheap, or storable, this could be slightly less affronting - but only slightly.

To sum up, I quickly determined that chocobo stables are ugly, bulky, expensive, constraining, misleading, and defective.

As far as I can tell they haven't changed much (or at all) since ARR? I'm calling for a rethink.

All of these. Especially the thing where you can't store or remove them us a pain. FC members rarely put their chocobo in a stable. The only time you actually need it is when someone wants to change their chocobo's color. So, it would make sense to put it in the yard for someone to use it over night and then put it back in storage, so that item slots can be used for something aesthetically pleasing.

Also, just ignore Jojoba. They seem to be commenting on every single thread just to antagonize people and be a toxic troll. What they said here was absolutely ridiculous and for the sake of making you upset.

[inopinatus]

Also, just ignore Jojoba. They seem to be commenting on every single thread just to antagonize people and be a toxic troll. What they said here was absolutely ridiculous and for the sake of making you upset.

Indeed, obvious nitwit troll tries to gatekeep whether someone has standing to debate the design of fictional creature stables, on the most laughable and spurious grounds, goes straight to the ignore list.

[Breakbeat]

So this is why there's folks in other random threads saying their ignore list is capped at 300 or 500 or whatever it is, and desperately begging for a bigger list.

You really need to place someone with opposing ideas on ignore? It's just an opposing idea - a difference of opinion.

How do you folks cope when you go to work and your boss is a mega-jerk to you? Do you "virtually" put them on ignore? Quit your job, exit the building, delete your bosses contact from your phone, put their number on block, stick your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist? What a very strange parental failure to cause a human to behave like this.

I welcome my new spot on your ignore list, I guess. Go ahead and falsely tailor the world so that it fits your idea of what it is.

Holy crap, I've been posting here since last July, some 300-ish posts, and my signature has never been more applicable.

Good luck in life. You will need it.

[inopinatus]

There's few sights more pitiful than a parochial culture warrior, out of their depth on an international forum, throwing a hissy fit about being shown the door.

Trolling doesn't equal a diversity of opinion, and the howl of pain from the troll merely confirms the utility of that ignore list.