Toxic DPS

[Xrison]

As you can already tell, that type of mentality isn't very popular in this game or on these forums. I used to feel the same way when I first started tanking, but learned to just suck it up and give it a go. Usually it works out well once you get a good feel for your tank job. To this day, the only job I still get a little bit nervous about pulling W2W in higher level dungeons with is DRK. The other three it's normally a piece of cake as long as the healer is halfway decent.

[Lyth]

If you're genuinely inexperienced at tanking and are worried about tagging mobs properly or surviving a bigger pull, it's best to be upfront about that at the start of the run. I've seen a few tanks do this in levelling dungeons, and your team would absolutely love to support you. Most arguments arise out of a mismatch in expectations.

But if you silently pause at the start of every corridor to deeply analyze mob movement patterns, and then go for janky s-stutter pulls, your entire party is going to immediately recognize that you have no idea what you're doing and will silently try to teach you how to pull the instance. In fact, if there actually was an option to swap around jobs at the start of an instance, most people would be even be happy to teach you how to tank it.

If you see this happening, put the attitude away and fix your play. If you think that you're tanking an instance and your team is always ahead of you, it's cuz you ain't.

[Xtrasweettea]

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It is not reportable. You can try, but someone other than the tank pulling is not a reportable offense.

What can be reportable is you not grabbing the mobs off of the Samurai. Not "doing your job" in that instance is considered griefing.

This is the reality of tanking in FF14: you are just there to hold the mobs. So if someone else other than you pulls it is your responsibility to grab the mobs, establish and maintain hate, and make the attempt to stay alive.

Tanks (like healers) are custodial roles. A tank's responsibility is to establish and maintain a safe-as-possible environment for the DPS to deal damage. DPS are the main drivers. DPS dictate the pace.

[Absimiliard]

"DPS dictate the pace."

Tell that to all the DPS that start whining if the tank is going too fast. No self-respecting tank is going to slow down because of this.

That aside, the tank jobs have strong enough AoE that half the time they probably don't even need help from the DPS, and two of them don't need a healer anymore. Speaking purely in terms of dungeons, of course.

Every role in a dungeon is of equal importance. Without healers the DPS will bite it, without DPS the run will take needlessly long, and without a tank ... well, honestly, you can do most dungeons without a tank if you have a very tolerant healer and use feint on tankbusters. By that same token having a WAR or PLD tank eliminates the need for a healer for the most part, and any run can be done without DPS if you really want to.

Tl;dr: everyone is equally replaceable, and attempting to downplay the importance of one role to prop another one up is a bit silly.

[Undeadfire]

"DPS dictate the pace."

Tell that to all the DPS that start whining if the tank is going too fast. No self-respecting tank is going to slow down because of this.

Who even does that???? Never once in my entire life of 14 never seen. Or did you meet the meme dude who says they're not interested in speed runs?

[AziraSyuren]

Yeah, I'm literally on the meme casual RP datacenter and have never seen anything like that.

[DarkDredgen]

I was helping my brother try out healing, so I did a few dungeons where I wasn't doing wall to wall, so he could get used to it, and to be fair 99% of the time people are absolutely fine. But every now and then you get the odd entitled DPS that think they set the pace.

I told them "If you pull, you keep". When they die, il pick up the pack. They usually stop or rage quit. Lol

But seriously, just type in chat at the start of the dungeon that you are new and that you will take it slowly, people are generally very understanding and happy to oblige that way

Edit: and before anyone says 'do your job properly', I am, I am pulling within the capabilities of my healer to avoid party wipes. If a dps decided to break away from the rest of the party to get aggro on a mob, that's their agenda. I'm not going to tell them how to play. But I will tell them that their are consequences, as a dps, in breaking from the party in order to pull mobs.

[RatCopter]

Ideally you should try to go faster where you feel like you can, but if they just run ahead and do that shit without at least asking "hey can you pull more?" then yeah, they're an asshole. Unfortunately there's nothing you can really do except blacklist them because it's not really something you can report them for, and even if you pull an "oops I accidentally turned off tank stance", the healer will probably adjust to that instead of allowing the asshole to die.

DPS really are spoilt little brats, honestly. You really don't have an obligation to "respect their time".

[Undeadfire]

DPS really are spoilt little brats, honestly. You really don't have an obligation to "respect their time".

Should respect everyone's time than forcing everyone to go slow for your "Tankxiety/Healxiety", 90-95% of players don't want to spend 30-40 mins clearing a dungeon, when you could easily do it in 15-20 mins if you put some effort. Healers/Tanks have obtained so much baby feeding, it's a literal pathetic excuse. Why is it 14 has turned into "It's my play style"? Back in the older days of games if you didn't perform what people wanted, you were out right away... At least solid raid groups continue this.

[ForteNightshade]

Edit: and before anyone says 'do your job properly', I am, I am pulling within the capabilities of my healer to avoid party wipes. If a dps decided to break away from the rest of the party to get aggro on a mob, that's their agenda. I'm not going to tell them how to play. But I will tell them that their are consequences, as a dps, in breaking from the party in order to pull mobs.

No you aren't. By refusing to take mobs off the DPS you actively aren't doing your job. If your healer friend isn't yet comfortable with healing, don't queue into healer level dungeons and force the DPS to comply. What you're essentially doing is demanding the DPS conform and you've ensured anyone who steps out of line can be easily kicked.