Toxic DPS

[Absimiliard]

Surprised this got upvotes. This is a clear violation of FFXIV's prohibited activities. If this happened to me because my skill level isn't to the liking of people like this poster, I'd screenshot and report.

Some people in this thread would vote kick me despite doing my best. But this is a violation of the TOS. At the end of the day, the devs invite players to their game of all skill levels and playstyles. As long as they are trying, they would view being antagonistic, rude, and vote-dismissing an abuse, and rightfully so. When you join a Duty Finder, you are accepting you are getting random players with varying levels of skill. If you have standards that must be met, create your own parties for content.

Knowingly and deliberately slowing a run down, refusing to pull mobs off of others (regardless of whether or not they intentionally ran ahead to grab them), and generally engaging in activities that in some way harm the party and/or help the enemy are also a TOS violation. Several TOS violations at once, in fact.

Since you decided to disregard the later elaboration of the initial point, allow me to quote it for you:

Bait? I'm completely serious. Not pulling fast enough, not properly mitigating, not grabbing enough mobs, not using sprint. etc. are all git gud problems. If someone is new to tanking that's one thing; take it easy, let them learn. If they're clearly not? Remove them at the last boss to ensure as much of their time has been wasted as possible. Also do this if you have one of those "you pull it, you tank it" people, though individuals with that mentality are generally already so bad at the game you might actually be better off with a DPS tanking.

The same should be done with healers that won't DPS and DPS that won't AoE on trash, provided of course they're not new. Like I said, new people need to be given some slack so they can actually learn what to do.

As you can clearly see, the point is not to slight people that are "doing their best" or in the process of learning. The point is to waste the time of people that should know better and are going out of their way to screw the party over. Happens a lot more often than anyone should be comfortable with.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Knowingly and deliberately slowing a run down, refusing to pull mobs off of others (regardless of whether or not they intentionally ran ahead to grab them), and generally engaging in activities that in some way harm the party and/or hinder the enemy are also a TOS violation. Several TOS violations at once, in fact.

Since you decided to disregard the later elaboration of the initial point, allow me to quote it for you:


As you can clearly see, the point is not to slight people that are "doing their best" or in the process of learning. The point is to waste the time of people that should know better and are going out of their way to screw the party over. Happens a lot more often than anyone should be comfortable with.

I can like that point - I agree here. Purposely wasting other players' time I feel is disrespectful to those in the run. I don't think the group is only about the tank, but 4 to 8 people in the run so I believe in doing your best to try to come up with a pace that works for all.

[Absimiliard]

Bait? I'm completely serious. Not pulling fast enough, not properly mitigating, not grabbing enough mobs, not using sprint. etc. are all git gud problems. If someone is new to tanking that's one thing; take it easy, let them learn. If they're clearly not? Remove them at the last boss to ensure as much of their time has been wasted as possible. Also do this if you have one of those "you pull it, you tank it" people, though individuals with that mentality are generally already so bad at the game you might actually be better off with a DPS tanking.

The same should be done with healers that won't DPS and DPS that won't AoE on trash, provided of course they're not new. Like I said, new people need to be given some slack so they can actually learn what to do.

[Mikey_R]

Finally, somebody gets to the only real criticism of my brand of horseshit.

But, again, why do DPS and healers get a free pass in petty behaviour?

Going back to your original post, how is the DPS and Healer being petty of they pull ahead? They are just doing what is essentially expected in a run, especially in max level dungeons. Did you in any way try to communicate to slow down a bit and let you pull? There is no petty behaviour being demonstrated by the Healer/DPS, just impatience.

You on the other hand decided to punish them for no reason with a fake excuse, wasting everyone's time, even more so if there was another member of the party that did let you pull first, why punish them for something that they shouldn't be punished for? You should, again, communicate with the team, I know, talking is hard and you just want to be guy on top. You have punished the wrongdoers and anyone else who had no part in their shenanigans, despite not giving them a chance to change their behaviour. That is what makes you petty.

[Ryaduera]

I have the privilege of one of my good friends being a healer, so if she sees a DPS trying that with me in content I don't want to pull wall to wall (for me, rare, but sometimes on DRK I'll just run out of cooldowns and decide to start DPS on a group before pulling more for MP/cd countdown, but even on DRK this is rare for me) we will rescue him into us and warn him not to do it again. If he does it again, I let him hold aggro and healer doesn't heal him. It's rare that I don't pull entire dungeons, so if I do there's usually a reason for it. Particular mob does extra damage, waiting on a key cooldown/resource, whatever it may be. If I am not with my partner in crime, I will politely ask them to let me pace the pulls, I may not trust the healer or something, and then I match their respect. I had a Reaper yelling at me in smileton because I couldn't keep up with him, which was a damn meme because he'd start running before pulls ere dead, use sprint, and dash forward all in one go to the next group. I was with my healer partner for this one, so when he did the same thing to aggro the boss, I just took my tank stance off, let him eat the tankbuster and die, then replaced my tank stance. It's one thing to pretend this game is a race (Like I see people in this thread doing) it's another thing to play in a way that requires other players to go beyond their levels of comfort. Just show them the respect they showed you.

An eye for an eye only blinds those that would blind you.

[Absimiliard]

I have the privilege of one of my good friends being a healer, so if she sees a DPS trying that with me in content I don't want to pull wall to wall (for me, rare, but sometimes on DRK I'll just run out of cooldowns and decide to start DPS on a group before pulling more for MP/cd countdown, but even on DRK this is rare for me) we will rescue him into us and warn him not to do it again. If he does it again, I let him hold aggro and healer doesn't heal him. It's rare that I don't pull entire dungeons, so if I do there's usually a reason for it. Particular mob does extra damage, waiting on a key cooldown/resource, whatever it may be. If I am not with my partner in crime, I will politely ask them to let me pace the pulls, I may not trust the healer or something, and then I match their respect. I had a Reaper yelling at me in smileton because I couldn't keep up with him, which was a damn meme because he'd start running before pulls ere dead, use sprint, and dash forward all in one go to the next group. I was with my healer partner for this one, so when he did the same thing to aggro the boss, I just took my tank stance off, let him eat the tankbuster and die, then replaced my tank stance. It's one thing to pretend this game is a race (Like I see people in this thread doing) it's another thing to play in a way that requires other players to go beyond their levels of comfort. Just show them the respect they showed you.

An eye for an eye only blinds those that would blind you.

Trusts are an excellent option for people that are uncomfortable with playing the game at the level of the majority. Trying to force the dungeon to go at the pace you want it rather than the pace it's intended to be done at (note: wall to wall pulling is in fact what the game is designed around at this point) is in effect showing tremendous disrespect for the other participants in that dungeon.

[Undeadfire]

Trusts exist for people that are uncomfortable with playing the game at the level of the majority.

If Trusts AOE I would pick them any time over randoms, they do more DPS than a lot of randoms.

[HisShadowX]

If Trusts AOE I would pick them any time over randoms, they do more DPS than a lot of randoms.

I only random for tombstones and leveling I thankfully only need to level my Dark Knight from 80 to 90 and that should not be hard. With them adding more trusts for the ARR, Heavensward, and now Stormblood MSQ that should make a lot of people happy.

[Absimiliard]

At this point I am honestly beginning to agree with this mindset. Probably exactly why SE doesn't want them to AoE, I'd wager. We are at a point now where people are considering the use of sprint in dungeons hyper-optimized, tanks are fine with fighting 1-2 mobs at a time, healers think it's fine to do zero DPS, and DPS don't know what maintenance buffs are at all. Trusts legitimately perform better than an alarming percentage of the playerbase.

[ForteNightshade]

At this point I am honestly beginning to agree with this mindset. Probably exactly why SE doesn't want them to AoE, I'd wager. We are at a point now where people are considering the use of sprint in dungeons hyper-optimized, tanks are fine with fighting 1-2 mobs at a time, healers think it's fine to do zero DPS, and DPS don't know what maintenance buffs are at all. Trusts legitimately perform better than an alarming percentage of the playerbase.

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind they programmed them not to AoE constantly because it'd basically make them better than the below average dredge you get in DF. Funny thing is, Urianger does AoE. I don't know if they forgot to alter his programing but holy hell, he's a complete monster in EW dungeons. I watched Xeno (and later tested myself) do Altiascope and Urianger pulled 12k on the first double pull you can do. Which was more than I could do. It's hilarious when Estinien and Y'shtola aren't even doing half that much.