Critique of Endwalker Characters

[Anienai]

No, it's more that EW would've been a good point to remove some characters whose stories have more or less peaked. And an apocalypse where the stakes are (or should be) high is as good a time as you will get to do that.

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[Nav_Fae]

I daresay the company would do rather well to look at what fans are actually asking for and shake things up a bit more as a result.

Endwalker is my favorite expansion so this fan thinks they're doing fine and that is the opinion I will sail away with and I will die on that hill

[Rulakir]

and in terms of villains-because the absolute last thing we need is another Hermes: Thordan, Kuja, Kefka, Ardyn, Gabranth, Caius

Also important to note is that at least once Yoship managed to acknowledge the fact that Hermes was a divisive figure in an interview sometime in January, I think.

Ardyn. <3 He and Emet are my two all time favorite antagonists. I can't handle another Emet or Elidibus though if they go the sympathetic antagonist route. My heart broke for them so I hated having to defeat them (worse when Alphinaud is basically like "ding dong the witch is dead" after Emet >_>) and that, by comparison, the Scions lost nothing while the Ascians/Ancients lost everything.

Hermes I didn't find sympathetic at all. Had the game not tried to gaslight me that he was he might've been a more enjoyable antagonist.

Honestly, I'd like another Yotsuyu. She was enjoyable as a villain, but I did not feel conflicted about defeating her.

[Iscah]

You do have me quite curious. At what point do you think would have been a good place for a main character death if an apocalypse that once decimated the entire planet isn’t one? And fights against the unsundered aren’t one as well.

My point was that there are no events where as it played out you are left thinking "that character could/should have died in that situation and I would be narratively okay with that".

Thancred giving his all to distract Ran'jit was a point like that: an emotional high point and he achieved what he needed to do. It's quite possible he only survived because at that point we had no other trust tank available.

Y'shtola falling down the hole in the Qitana Ravel was not. Too sudden, no buildup, rather contrived as a plot point – in this case they writing-wise were basically looking for an excuse to force her to use Flow so Emet could pull her out again, but if they were hypothetically looking for a chance to kill her off permanently then as it stands it was a weak way to go.

And in Endwalker I don't think there were any clear "should have been" points for a character death. The general vibe of disaster calls for places where maybe someone along the way could have been written to die, but who and when? The closest thing is Zenos turning up at our camp, but that is still "someone could arbitrarily be picked to die" and not a particular moment that works for a specific character.

It is again quite possible that all of them "had" to survive for the practical gameplay purpose that they need seven allies available for the level 89 trial.

[KizuyaKatogami]

My point was that there are no events where as it played out you are left thinking "that character could/should have died in that situation and I would be narratively okay with that".

Thancred giving his all to distract Ran'jit was a point like that: an emotional high point and he achieved what he needed to do. It's quite possible he only survived because at that point we had no other trust tank available.

Y'shtola falling down the hole in the Qitana Ravel was not. Too sudden, no buildup, rather contrived as a plot point – in this case they writing-wise were basically looking for an excuse to force her to use Flow so Emet could pull her out again, but if they were hypothetically looking for a chance to kill her off permanently then as it stands it was a weak way to go.

And in Endwalker I don't think there were any clear "should have been" points for a character death. The general vibe of disaster calls for places where maybe someone along the way could have been written to die, but who and when? The closest thing is Zenos turning up at our camp, but that is still "someone could arbitrarily be picked to die" and not a particular moment that works for a specific character.

It is again quite possible that all of them "had" to survive for the practical gameplay purpose that they need seven allies available for the level 89 trial.

Ah i see what you mean. Yes it’s an incredible shame in the grand scheme of things, that none of them really faced individual peril until the final zone and even then it was all immediately averted. As far as the trial goes, they could have just not had the trial be a trust based one. While i do understand why they did it, i personally don’t think it should influence the story.

[Izar_Chillen]

I see Thancred leaving us at some point. If they found a way to travel to the first again safely. No question Thancred would likely jump on the chance. There are other characters who are good fighters and infiltrators that could take his place.

I think so too

I wonder if the traversal to the first again will play a role in removing , but not killing some of the Scions . Perhaps they may plan a moment in a future MSQ quest chain that we may discover a way to send people across the traverse with their bodies like our WoL can do and that once the group learn this Thancred already yearning to be back on the first to raise and support his "daughter" because there isnt much for him on the source anymore volunteers to try it, or maybe even Shtola yearns to be back with her tribe she was with for "in her spiritual form", five years as she was mother bear there and she may actually love Runar.

[BlueLulu]

Honestly i didnt care for much of the scions other then maybe alisaie and uri all the others were kinda meh or didnt stick out to me much with most of them feeling kinda bland or boring

[Seymour_Rainecourt]

You like Alisaie and Meteion, but dislike Urianger and G'raha. Come on! I agree with IttyBitty: sorry for your public admittance of your terrible opinions. ._ .

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that likes Thancred. Granted, I started in Ul'dah, but still.

[KageTokage]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that likes Thancred. Granted, I started in Ul'dah, but still.

With them mentioning he in particular is going to get a MSQ focus in 6.x, I am rather curious to see what they do with him.

His role in the Scions has probably been rendered the most obsolete for the time being as espionage and intel gathering aren't terribly helpful in a time of peace.