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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DubiousDisk View Post
    "Side note I am 85 right now"

    Immediately everything you're saying is invalid, because you're missing both Enhanced Sharpcast, and Paradox, which are incredibly important to your opener and overall rotation.

    Like everyone is saying, please for the love of GOD, cap BLM before you say anything, or better yet, join the Balance Discord, share your rotation, and watch them immediately tell you why you're incorrect in every way.
    Enhanced Sharpcast gives ability to proc Thundercloud an additional time.
    Paradox I listed predicted changes to rotation.
    People don't have to be 90 to make a good point. Lots of things I'm talking about I have been doing since Heavensward release. Recent changes just brought me to the forums.

    Do you have the discord link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander_Diabolos View Post
    Enhanced Sharpcast gives ability to proc Thundercloud an additional time.
    Paradox I listed predicted changes to rotation.
    People don't have to be 90 to make a good point. Lots of things I'm talking about I have been doing since Heavensward release. Recent changes just brought me to the forums.

    Do you have the discord link?
    So... funny thing happened... I joined Discord and found this...
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...h.n62znhrbg8uc

    Under "Intermediate" Under "Double Paradox" includes not only using "Transpose" to get MP back, but also using it to chance proc for Firestarter.
    "Standard + 3xF4 Double Transpose F3P [N76]" Is more what I was looking at. In fact the document outlines everything I have been saying with additional ideas.
    Transpose, Sharpcast, Paradox is a good addition to guarantee a Firestarter proc... but will have to do some math to verify which way I like better.

    I do find it funny though it goes from "watch them immediately tell you why you're incorrect in every way" and "everything you're saying is invalid" to "Intermediate Non-Standard BLM Guide".
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xander_Diabolos View Post
    So... funny thing happened... I joined Discord and found this...
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...h.n62znhrbg8uc

    Under "Intermediate" Under "Double Paradox" includes not only using "Transpose" to get MP back, but also using it to chance proc for Firestarter.
    "Standard + 3xF4 Double Transpose F3P [N76]" Is more what I was looking at. In fact the document outlines everything I have been saying with additional ideas.
    Transpose, Sharpcast, Paradox is a good addition to guarantee a Firestarter proc... but will have to do some math to verify which way I like better.

    I do find it funny though it goes from "watch them immediately tell you why you're incorrect in every way" and "everything you're saying is invalid" to "Intermediate Non-Standard BLM Guide".
    Replacing Blizzard III with Transpose is a sometimes food. In 6.0 it gave you a very marginal bonus in exchange for being extremely MP tick sensitive, restricting your movement even more than normal, and requiring you to have several instant cast procs lined up in order to make sure you didn't clip any GCDs. (Doing hardcast Despair into Transpose into umbral Paradox, for instance, slows you down by the ~0.7s of Transpose's animation). As of 6.08, in which Fire IV, Fire III, and Blizzard III have all been buffed, using Transpose instead of Blizzard III to enter Umbral Ice is less of a marginal gain, and might not be one at all.

    Like I said, the really worrying thing about your gameplay is that you're apparently hardcasting Fire III in the middle of your astral cycle. That's an extremely bad idea, even if you're defraying its cost with your last umbral heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander_Diabolos View Post
    So... funny thing happened... I joined Discord and found this...
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...h.n62znhrbg8uc

    Under "Intermediate" Under "Double Paradox" includes not only using "Transpose" to get MP back, but also using it to chance proc for Firestarter.
    "Standard + 3xF4 Double Transpose F3P [N76]" Is more what I was looking at. In fact the document outlines everything I have been saying with additional ideas.
    Transpose, Sharpcast, Paradox is a good addition to guarantee a Firestarter proc... but will have to do some math to verify which way I like better.

    I do find it funny though it goes from "watch them immediately tell you why you're incorrect in every way" and "everything you're saying is invalid" to "Intermediate Non-Standard BLM Guide".
    Im not pro at blm at all, however:

    The purpose of using transpose lines is to try to cut weaker spells out of rotation (Read: Ice spells). However, what you propose, especially when not taking into account existence of paradox, can be summed up with "I like this spell animation".
    Fire 3 is NOT a spell you spam. Its a spell that you use to either shift to fire, when you are doing normal lines, or to be sharped in fire to jump to AF3 without losing potency in ice phase.

    Hell, look at any guide for lvl 80, there is no paradox in those, and there are NO rotations that involve overusing fire 3, because its not the ability that fills that purpose, F4 is, with F1 refresh.

    Its like saying "Oh you know, i spam ice spells because numbers are same but it doesn't use mana", without taking in account other factors.

    Also id imagine people that are on balance have pretty good math skills and test their stuff before releasing them into the wild.

    Here's pretty good blm optimisation overview, that explains transpose lines pretty nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oitfdOPiqpw
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    Funny how title reads "people are playing blm wrong", even tho its base (or standard i guess) rotation is probably what developers had intended for job. And what it was for 2 expansions already. That is to say, its good to have nice skill ceiling like this.
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