Just some concerns about roulettes (read, rant)

[TaleraRistain]

lmao dude i don't have a solution better than anyone else here than either to get rid of msq entirely and make it solo-able with trusts or whatever, that's not my problem to figure out anyways.

The devs have said they're looking at some changes to MSQ. A Trust version is probably the way to go and means that on any DC where the roulette is a bottleneck for new folks, it won't be a bottleneck. It also allows a new person to go through at their leisure and take everything in without being rushed.

That also doesn't mean they can't keep the current roulette. There are already plenty of vets running it. And if they made cutscenes skippable again, they would have to drastically lower the rewards back to what they were previously. Plus Prae conversations are great. I had a run the other day where the whole party was making egg puns the entire time.

[DPZ2]

the amount of people who defend the straight up bad design SE decides to make and then never touch again is just crazy lol. People shouldn't have incentive to leave Castrum to begin with not that "oh dw the party can fill up fast!" Like c'mon y'all dont see a problem with people eating the penalty multiple times until they get Prae?

You have a pretty funny idea about what an "incentive" is.

If I have an hour to be online, and want to run through MSQ Roulette for the XP, am I incentivized to take the 30 minute penalty for a non-guaranteed chance to run Praetorium? Quite the contrary.

If I can be online for a whole day, and want to run through MSQ Roulette for the XP, how am I incentivized to take the 30 minute penalty for a non-guaranteed chance to run Praetorium? Am I supposed to enjoy the 15-20 minute queue times on top of the penalty? What happens the third time I get Castrum in the queue?

There is no "incentive" to leave Castrum in the hopes one can get Praetorium 30 minutes later.

[technole]

Complaining about MSQ roulette is just beating dead horse, YoshiP already mentioned in December they are making changes to those instances. Just they haven't said what and when it'll happen in the 6.x series.

[Illmaeran]

Since the intent of the MSQ roulette is to have people fill out groups to help people needing the run for their MSQ, I'd love to see all dungeons, trials, and raids required to progress in the MSQ be moved to the MSQ roulette. As much as I appreciate the CT raids for their ease and general time vs. tome gain via a separate selection, we really do need variety in the MSQ stuff.

It would also be good to have each Leveling and MSQ roulette give normalized XP based on the level of the job going in. Every non-new player, not just Player In Need, should also get an XP bonus for their first run of the day. It's nice to be able to get extra XP and tomestones in the other roulette categories, but if the Leveling and MSQ roulettes were the best mode of XP gain I can only see this benefitting the entire player base.

Let all the other types of content; Alliance Raids, 50/60/70/80 dungeons, Normal Raids, etc stay in their respective roulette options with normalized XP gain relative to dungeons of the level of the job going in.

[AnotherPerson]

Since the intent of the MSQ roulette is to have people fill out groups to help people needing the run for their MSQ, I'd love to see all dungeons, trials, and raids required to progress in the MSQ be moved to the MSQ roulette. As much as I appreciate the CT raids for their ease and general time vs. tome gain via a separate selection, we really do need variety in the MSQ stuff.

It would also be good to have each Leveling and MSQ roulette give normalized XP based on the level of the job going in. Every non-new player, not just Player In Need, should also get an XP bonus for their first run of the day. It's nice to be able to get extra XP and tomestones in the other roulette categories, but if the Leveling and MSQ roulettes were the best mode of XP gain I can only see this benefitting the entire player base.

Let all the other types of content; Alliance Raids, 50/60/70/80 dungeons, Normal Raids, etc stay in their respective roulette options with normalized XP gain relative to dungeons of the level of the job going in.

The intent of the MSQ roulette is to let people fill groups for the 8-man storyline dungeon because that's an unskippable 60 minute long dungeon, and not everyone wants to do that. The people who do will get a big bonus exp from completing the daily roulette and tomes for queueing for it. The intent of daily duty roulettes is to help facilitate MSQ progression overall.

So... yeah, the daily roulettes already do give normalized XP gain. They're just not meant to be spammed unless you just want a small incentive for doing them outside of the roulette itself for the role in need.

[Raoabolic]

These types of issues only occur in communities. No amount of dev intervention will stop certain region's players mentality of min maxxing outside of throwing more rewards ala irregular tombstones and even then, that's more of a stop gap rather than a solution since the majority of the content in the MSQ roulette can be cheesed. It's actually kind of depressing if you think too much about it.

[dspguy]

Simple solution for people abandoning Castrum:

Mark it as "reward already received" for leaving any roulette.

Problem solved. You get what you get.

[Kaurhz]

Simple solution for people abandoning Castrum:

Mark it as "reward already received" for leaving any roulette.

Problem solved. You get what you get.

They should just do this with every instance of someone leaving a roulette.

[Xuled]

Topics been beat to death. People including myself will game the system for Prae if I need XP and if I don’t then I don’t run MSQ roulette.

As for harsher penalties, no thanks. If you make it “reward already received” you’ll most likely see an exodus of players doing roulettes. If you give everyone who leaves a 30min penalty, you’ll also see fewer and fewer people queuing in DF.

Further, would it apply if you get kicked? If so, you’ve opened it up to abuse from players (let’s be real, it would be). By the comments in this thread, it should apply.

[Kaurhz]

Topics been beat to death. People including myself will game the system for Prae if I need XP and if I don’t then I don’t run MSQ roulette.

As for harsher penalties, no thanks. If you make it “reward already received” you’ll most likely see an exodus of players doing roulettes. If you give everyone who leaves a 30min penalty, you’ll also see fewer and fewer people queuing in DF.

Further, would it apply if you get kicked? If so, you’ve opened it up to abuse from players (let’s be real, it would be). By the comments in this thread, it should apply.

Getting kicked for a myriad of reasons including that of AFK, harassment, or cheating is entirely different from you leaving wilfully because you're upset that you didn't get the duty you wanted in a roulette. By all means carry on but if you eventually get reported enough for the behaviour and if a GM warns you for the behaviour then don't come making a thread on the OF or on Reddit asking why you were banned and playing cry the wolf.

Furthermore, if you think this is abusable to where you're more than willing to sit there and potentially hold an entire instance of players hostage then to be frank you should absolutely be reported and absolutely deserve the punishment associated with such.

Granted, I would stand to argue the number of people that routinely engage in this behaviour would arguably be in the minority (be it with holding an entire instance hostage, or leaving when you don't get what you want) - But that's besides the point. It's reprehensible and should not be a behaviour that is enabled.