Just some concerns about roulettes (read, rant)

[sharknado]

In my opinion, MSQ roulette needs more options added, or just get rid of it entirely and add the xp difference across the other roulettes.

If they add more options to the MSQ roulette, I would like to see all of the MSQ required trials/raids to be included across all expansions.

I would say Prae and Centri should be reworked with non-blocking dialogue/events (This is Thancred style) then any instance for given roulette type should in end give same exp. This also includes Leveling and capstone dungeon roulettes so that so leveling alt jobs use roulette and not manually queue into highest level instances.

As for MSQ Roulette - it could have Westwind, Centri, Prae and Crystal Tower alliance raids - with also slight updates to also work as sort of a tutorial/learning place for sprouts first seeing Alliance raid (and things like group splits). Subsequen expansions don't have that "short" nor "easy" instances so that could stay in corresponding roulettes.

[Starshower]

I also think the MSQ roulette is problematic (the others are fine imo). Mostly because people feel forced to do it when levelling since the xp bonus from praetorium is so huge (a whole level). That's why they quit castrum. I've put all my jobs to 90 already, but when I was doing that roulette and got castrum I had a heavy feeling in my stomach, I knew that would be a wasted roulette because the xp is so low. I didn't want to be there. And I quit every time. I'm sorry, but that felt like suffering to me, I gladly took the 30 mins penalty.


Yoshi-p already said that they are reworking castrum, praetorium, and cape westwind. Possibly next patch? I think it needs to be a solo duty with trusts, or a normal lv 50 dungeon (short, 3 bosses) and I think the roulette should be deleted and the xp you'd gain from it should be redistributed into the other roulettes. This is in my opinion the worst content in the game, made even worse that people feel forced to do it. If they remove it the game will be better for everyone, the new players and the people farming xp for other jobs.

[Juun]

Prae is popular right now cause its better exp vs investment. Castrum will be popular again once more people are capped and run it for tomes only.

[Breakbeat]

People are leaving Castrum in mass as soon as they realize it's not Praetorium. Most of my runs (and I usually run with 1 or 2 sprouts from my FC for a 20% mentor bonus meaning 3 people are guaranteed to stay) end up with 2~4 players leaving right away as soon as the duty starts and a few more going AFK during the duty. This might be even worse as a solo queue.

I run MSQ roulette every day on two characters. So, that's sixty-ish runs a month.

For whatever reason, over the past month or so, I've been getting Castrum nearly every run. I literally think I ran Prae less than ten times in all of January, which would give me fifty-ish Castrum runs in that same time span.

Out of those fifty runs, I've seen people leave a third of them, -ish. I don't keep a chart or log, but people leaving is definitely less common than everyone staying.

When people do leave... we just start anyway? I, or someone, usually just pulls a small amount of trash and we move forward slowly until new players get pulled in, which I've never seen take more than a minute or two. Usually people are still shutting off those first two searchlights when our group gets re-populated.

So, IMVHO, the whole "travesty" of people leaving Castrum in droves is fairly nonsense. It doesn't happen enough to be an issue, and when it does happen, it takes a pittance of time to fill empty spots.

#Socialmediahype over non-issues, that's all it is. That and confirmation bias; people know it happens so when it happens to them, they over-exaggerate the issue to be "part of the group" that is very vocal about Castrum quitters. See: real life and just about all of our social issues right now. Confirmation-bias-laden hype with no real facts or figures to back it up.

Gimme a link to the single person who has kept a chart of their last 100 Castrum runs, with data on how many people left per run, and the amount of time lost to this issue. Do that and I will eat all these words. I'm confident I won't be eating today, though, because there is no such list. No one wants to make one because it would destroy the idea that Castrum quitters are horribly ruining the MSQ experience. If the chart says group quits happen every 4.34 runs, with an average time loss of 1:26, it kinda puts a nine-inch-nail in the coffin of the whole movement, yeah? Folks act like there's a fifteen minute delay in every Castrum run they zone into.

/Shrug

[LisSquid]

I just wish I could blacklist certain instances, with a cap of three.

I hate doing CT because they're boring, and I hate the third nier raid because of eye strain. I'd take every stripper into WoD daily if it meant I never had to see those three instances again.

[StarkeRegulus]

I'm... way too tired to engage on a big argument so this will be extremely summed up.

People => Leaving because they have "a problem".
You => "I have no problem with them leaving because someone joins quickly."
You having no problem => No problems!

This is your logic, 90% of you posting in this thread. Just... just... ugh.

[Padudu]

the amount of people who defend the straight up bad design SE decides to make and then never touch again is just crazy lol. People shouldn't have incentive to leave Castrum to begin with not that "oh dw the party can fill up fast!" Like c'mon y'all dont see a problem with people eating the penalty multiple times until they get Prae?

[StarkeRegulus]

the amount of people who defend the straight up bad design SE decides to make and then never touch again is just crazy lol. People shouldn't have incentive to leave Castrum to begin with not that "oh dw the party can fill up fast!" Like c'mon y'all dont see a problem with people eating the penalty multiple times until they get Prae?

This tbh ^

[TaleraRistain]

the amount of people who defend the straight up bad design SE decides to make and then never touch again is just crazy lol. People shouldn't have incentive to leave Castrum to begin with not that "oh dw the party can fill up fast!" Like c'mon y'all dont see a problem with people eating the penalty multiple times until they get Prae?

No, I don't because what's your solution? We've discussed this to death in other threads.

They can't make the rewards even because the time expenditure isn't even right now. So you'd just get the opposite problem of people fishing for Castrum instead of Prae and bailing on Prae. Like someone said, one is good while people are leveling up and one is good for tome runs.

They can't force people to stay. There's a penalty now for leaving. It doesn't hit everyone that leaves after that point, but making it do so just seems overly punitive. The first person to bail can't queue again for 30 minutes but the rest still have to go sit in another queue. And if they have join in progress on, they may just end up back where they were again.

What exactly do you want them to do? I would much rather run Castrum with a team that either wants to be there or accepts that was the hand they were dealt that day and rolls with it than someone who will just go afk because they couldn't bounce like they wanted to.

[Padudu]

No, I don't because what's your solution? We've discussed this to death in other threads.

They can't make the rewards even because the time expenditure isn't even right now. So you'd just get the opposite problem of people fishing for Castrum instead of Prae and bailing on Prae. Like someone said, one is good while people are leveling up and one is good for tome runs.

They can't force people to stay. There's a penalty now for leaving. It doesn't hit everyone that leaves after that point, but making it do so just seems overly punitive. The first person to bail can't queue again for 30 minutes but the rest still have to go sit in another queue. And if they have join in progress on, they may just end up back where they were again.

What exactly do you want them to do? I would much rather run Castrum with a team that either wants to be there or accepts that was the hand they were dealt that day and rolls with it than someone who will just go afk because they couldn't bounce like they wanted to.

lmao dude i don't have a solution better than anyone else here than either to get rid of msq entirely and make it solo-able with trusts or whatever, that's not my problem to figure out anyways.

and i'm aware of the penalty and that you can't force people to stay thanks, dude idc if people leave midduty or whatever it's not my decision on whether or not it's justified, i don't blame people for leaving & and i understand why, i'm just saying it's stupidly bad design on SE's part to let it stay like this

You have a pretty funny idea about what an "incentive" is.

If I have an hour to be online, and want to run through MSQ Roulette for the XP, am I incentivized to take the 30 minute penalty for a non-guaranteed chance to run Praetorium? Quite the contrary.

If I can be online for a whole day, and want to run through MSQ Roulette for the XP, how am I incentivized to take the 30 minute penalty for a non-guaranteed chance to run Praetorium? Am I supposed to enjoy the 15-20 minute queue times on top of the penalty? What happens the third time I get Castrum in the queue?

There is no "incentive" to leave Castrum in the hopes one can get Praetorium 30 minutes later.

ok tell that to the multiple people who straight up say they take the penalty a bunch of times for prae since the xp is just that much more. idk what other word to use other than incentive, english isn't my first language but go ahead and be overly picky on my wording even though you and everyone else knows exactly what i mean lmao