Just some concerns about roulettes (read, rant)

[TaleraRistain]

Wrong. People DO leave on all DCs. i play in all 3 NA DCs and i've seen people leaving. Its a matter of who wants to take the bullet. If one person leaves, its very very likely others will follow suit.

Not wrong. I never said people didn't leave. I said it doesn't take more than a minute or two to get the party filled back up when it happens on Aether. I keep join in progress on. I'm usually one of those people filling it back up. It is very rare on my DC to get a Castrum run where we stay small without people slotting in. So it's not really affecting the run if people do leave. Those who stay and join in progress types balance out those who instantly bail.

[kaynide]

It may be different by DC, but people leaving Castrum on Aether isn't really an issue. The party fills back up again in no time even if everyone but 1 or 2 people leave. There are enough who run with what they get that balance out those who leave so the roulette isn't affected that much.

Wrong. People DO leave on all DCs. i play in all 3 NA DCs and i've seen people leaving. Its a matter of who wants to take the bullet. If one person leaves, its very very likely others will follow suit.

I mean, sure, people probably do indeed leave on all DCs, but I've seen it maybe...twice? Three times in my 10ish years in this game on a Japanese DC. They're not wrong about it not being an issue on many DCs. I'd say it is a non issue in my experience.

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation, wonderfully balanced or whatever, just commenting on the fact that, imho, people don't really leave that often in my experience.

I'm kinda hoping that they move Crystal Tower raids to MSQ roulette if they remove Castrum and Praetorium. That way I can enjoy Alliance Raid roulette again. lol

I hope they make Cast/Prae trust instances, then rework MSQ to be any/all bottlenecks for MSQ progression. It should include particularly unpopular dungeons, trials and alliance raids that are required for progression. Stuff like Shinryu, stuff like Crystal Tower, stuff like the core expansion-final dungeons, like Amaurot (the level 60, 70, 80, 90 final dungeons).

There's no reason the roulettes can't overlap, even though that might mean getting the same exact thing twice in one day (eg. Shinryu for Trial, and again for MSQ).

Moreover, if they go this route, I think it should be a one time thing- if you abandon it, you just forfeit MSQ for the day entirely to prevent people from leaving longer things (like the Amaurot dungeon) in favor of fast-easy facerolls.

[Vahlnir]

I hope they make Cast/Prae trust instances, then rework MSQ to be any/all bottlenecks for MSQ progression. It should include particularly unpopular dungeons, trials and alliance raids that are required for progression. Stuff like Shinryu, stuff like Crystal Tower, stuff like the end-cap dungeons (the level 60, 70, 80, 90 final dungeons).

There's no reason the roulettes can't overlap, even though that might mean getting the same exact thing twice in one day (eg. Shinryu for Trial, and again for MSQ).

Moreover, if they go this route, I think it should be a one time thing- if you abandon it, you just forfeit MSQ for the day entirely.

I like where you are going with this, though I don't agree with the day long penalty for leaving. Sometimes things happen or the party is simply too far gone to help.

[kaynide]

I like where you are going with this, though I don't agree with the day long penalty for leaving. Sometimes things happen or the party is simply too far gone to help.

That's true- there should be some way to discourage leaving..but maybe it's 3 strikes in a week, or something.

[Nanne]

The PVP roulette is actually possibly worse and unless some sort of "rating" level is added or other solution, you will still be rank 50 and be paired with a bunch of people that have no clue what they're doing

Frontline roulette mostly exist for the purpose of people getting a quick and fun/casual match. The grand company ranks have nothing to do with anyone's PvP performance because you just eventually get to max rank just by playing daily. Also PvP isn't that popular that you could start splitting the player base into multiple brackets cause the mode still needs 72 players to happen

[kaynide]

MSQ is a rather notorious problem that honestly should be reworked into a trust instance w/ the Scions.

Something I often say here: I wish the next expansion would be a TLC, with some new zones interconnecting existing ones or build off of existing ones with a focus on just fixing back-burner issues like this, trust/squadron issues, the jumping physics engine, viera/hrothgar hats…etc etc.

Just use 1 expansion to handle and future proof a little, and it could go a long way.

[StarkeRegulus]

MSQ is a rather notorious problem that honestly should be reworked into a trust instance w/ the Scions.

Something I often say here: I wish the next expansion would be a TLC, with some new zones interconnecting existing ones or build off of existing ones with a focus on just fixing back-burner issues like this, trust/squadron issues, the jumping physics engine, viera/hrothgar hats…etc etc.

Just use 1 expansion to handle and future proof a little, and it could go a long way.

Agreed. It should also be either solo'able at this point or like you pointed out, a trust instance. I keep hearing RP players saying how hard it breaks immersion to be "The warrior of light! Well, you and the 7 guys next to you..." to begin with.

Does it need fixing? It's clearly what people want , or they wouldn't do it!

Also, the need to steal isn't really comparable to a video games random dungeon roulette, no?

Am also sure some people would still steal even of they already had everything!

Is just how we are, isn't it? ^^

I'm gonna try to explain this a bit more simpler this time.

Q: Does it need fixing? It's clearly what people want , or they wouldn't do it!
A: No, it's not. If it wasn't a problem, people wouldn't be leaving. I honestly don't know how you messed this much up.

Q: Also, the need to steal isn't really comparable to a video games random dungeon roulette, no?
A: It's called a metaphorical analogy, it was used to explain that people only do such actions because there is a need for them. If there was no need to leave, they wouldn't leave, if there wasn't a need to steal, they wouldn't steal. See the similarities? That's an analogy.

Q: Am also sure some people would still steal even of they already had everything!
A: Right, and those are called kleptomaniacs, like I mentioned just in case someone decided to be pedantic about it.

Q: Is just how we are, isn't it? ^^
A: No, it really is not.

[MidnightEquinox]

MSQ Roulette hasn't really been an issue on Louisoux, either.

PvP Roulette is not meant to be serious. Most people there are for XP. Adding a ranked roulette for Frontline is likely what you want.

The raid situation seems questionable, yeah. That's why in some games, your gear is locked once you enter, but otherwise it also seems the harder raids should also give better rewards so people are happy to see them.

[IckeDerTyp]

And people only steal because they think they can get away with it, your point?

You take away the need for stealing and anyone that is not a kleptomaniac will stop stealing, same logic you take away people's motivation to do something that is "wrong" and they'll stop doing it. Encouraging and "getting used to it" is most certainly not the way to fix something.

Does it need fixing? It's clearly what people want , or they wouldn't do it!

Also, the need to steal isn't really comparable to a video games random dungeon roulette, no?

Am also sure some people would still steal even of they already had everything!

Is just how we are, isn't it? ^^

[Nyxn607]

The only roulette that is an issue is MSQ. Castrum is not worth doing (in roulette anyway), never has been since the story of ARR required it. Prae is only preferred because it gives close to a full level of xp, which makes the movie time more bearable.

In my opinion, MSQ roulette needs more options added, or just get rid of it entirely and add the xp difference across the other roulettes.

If they add more options to the MSQ roulette, I would like to see all of the MSQ required trials/raids to be included across all expansions.