FF14 and toxic positivity

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

But do you start to disagree with them because it’s them or because of the things being said.

I hate to bring up names, so I won’t. But there’s a couple people in this thread I’ve disagreed with strongly. However, in this thread and potentially a few others, although recognizing their names, I upvote if I think they have a good point or I find myself agreeing with them.

I don’t hate people, I just disagree with stances, ideas

What thry say, not people. I've agreed with some of their points, and pointed that out when I do, but some of their stances I strongly disagree with, and that tends to be the majority of the (admittedly lurking, as I don't tend to post much these days because the back and forth just get frustrating) interactions.

[Avatre]

But do you start to disagree with them because it’s them or because of the things being said.

I hate to bring up names, so I won’t. But there’s a couple people in this thread I’ve disagreed with strongly. However, in this thread and potentially a few others, although recognizing their names, I upvote if I think they have a good point or I find myself agreeing with them.

I don’t hate people, I just disagree with stances, ideas

There are definitely a lot of people who once they see a name will instantly dismiss the person's responses to the topic at hand. I have been guilty of this, but I have also agreed with those same people on other topics.

[aveyond-dreams]

I know I'm unlikely to forget the faces of the people who had some *interesting* takes to the Summoner rework and their behavior towards me. It was like interacting with a parallel universe. An interesting delve into psychology, but overall it was just unpleasant. They clearly were not expecting someone to directly go against their self-pity party, much less someone whose been around since ARR and has survived all the strange gameplay mechanics this game has seen over the years and enjoyed the class in every FF game except this one prior to the release of 6.0.

I just speak my mind. What people make of my words is up to them and I have no control over what tone of voice they read them in. Beyond that I have limited patience for those who would see the future of the game...veer off into a direction that is far removed from what I come here for, or who are overly attached to elements and characters that I'm just about fed up with. I know that 6.0 released not so long ago, but I cannot wait for 7.0 to wipe the slate clean and for the Heavensward writing team to make a comeback now that FFXVI's story is done.

[Vahlnir]

Why everything that goes against the popular opinion is brushed off as nothing more than low quality bait is beyond me. I understand that this guy and his many alts do post troll threads. But there are also times where he does have serious conversations.

Whether you like it or not, toxic positivety is very much real and quite prevalent from my own experiences in game.

When someone spends so much time "crying wolf" it's no surprise that people stop taking them seriously. I'm one of them.

[KizuyaKatogami]

It's almost like you remember the people you have strong disagreements with.

It's the same with your posts. But then, you knew that.

I honestly haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. I typically dont let people live in my head rent-free. Don’t got time for petty squabbles you see

[Poporito_Popoto]

Positively not toxic:

Valentione Lobster Platter

[Raasu]

It sucks because shutting down every form of criticism within the community means we will keep seeing less content while the game's profits have skyrocketed.

The most annoying part is how disingenuous and fragmented the defending arguments can be at times. For example, arguing in favor of the current housing system is already wild to me, but willfully ignoring the part where a subscription-based game can straight up delete your paid Mogstation furniture after demolition is crazy.

[LittleImp]

It sucks because shutting down every form of criticism within the community means we will keep seeing less content while the game's profits have skyrocketed.

The most annoying part is how disingenuous and fragmented the defending arguments can be at times. For example, arguing in favor of the current housing system is already wild to me, but willfully ignoring the part where a subscription-based game can straight up delete your paid Mogstation furniture after demolition is crazy.

SE fans in general are wild and will defend some of the most absolutely mindboggling stuff.

There were people defending and even celebrating the fact that Babylon's Fall is openly reusing assets from FFXIV, and they look extremely bad to boot. It wasn't done as a fun collab or something, it was done because they didn't have enough resources to create enough variety. 60$ USD game btw.

[Shougun]

The playful comment was in response to posters who have consistently insinuated over a number of years that if somebody likes the antagonists in a video game, then they are bad people with flawed morals. In addition to sending weird threats and comments outside of the game itself through Reddit, Twitter and Discord.

Speaking of which, it has long been a problem within the lore community where certain posters will repeatedly harass someone, then when they get even the slightest bit of pushback in response, they throw up their hands and feign innocence.

I think there are some interesting discussions over there but given my experience with a few people, who I don't believe are evil and have seen be helpful / nice, the lack of willingness to fly with an idea but rather actually a sense of willful desire to smack down ideas instead of use their knowledge to make it better. . . makes me not excited to discuss lore in this game.

That said A. I've seen a number of posters who are active there that I love to see here and are not like that, so.. painting by association is rude lol, and B. To be fair I prefer to get lore myself or at least via nice deep voice presentations xD so I might not have visited a lot anyways. Very much into the death of an author type thing, where interpretations and meaning become both public and personal.

Or more cynically you might say lack of creative vision, but maybe that is unfair if you were discussing something they were actually interested in. Though that makes me feel less great, since I feel if you are willing to engage with someone you should really give it a true try; otherwise.. maybe just don't engage.. lol.. like I've on many occasions went in trying to encourage or add onto ideas that originally were not really my desire (mainly when I see a lot of people shutting them down). I say as much when I do though, just to ensure clarity of my own bias / thoughts. Those who ask questions to better understand the situation and earnestly use that info, even if they don't agree, are some of my favorite posters (which there are a few).

To more of a point of your post though, in my experience the most shutdowns I've seen in the forums are from people who either use code, money, or lore, and of the three it's lore that I've seen far more shutdowns of ideas in a way that I feel is the most like "....really though?". Funnily the most adamant shutdowns that used lore, that /I've/ experienced, have ended up being proven wrong later XD, sometimes to the point that nearly exactly what I thought could happen did actually happen. I think money reasons are the worst because we really know nothing about their situation, we've no business planning their finances, then lore because given patience and creativity you can make a lot happen lol, and code being fairly logical especially when said by those who have some interest in the field.. though I've seen understandings of the game that are also not true. Like someone tried to convince people at one time that instanced for all housing is impossible as it would require too much data and no game could do that (which of course has happened). Yet with all three 'shutdowns' often simply "time" could be the cure to the problem. Time for money, for smooth transition in the story, for figuring out the solution to making chocobos be allowed in parties.. etc, etc.

It was only a few months ago on Reaper, people saying things are impossible or certain desires couldn't be done. Before reaper shirt it was more on Necromancer... but if some recall my posts on how to make a Necromancer work- using wraith like imagery over pure undead, could potentially bind with spirits and have a new visual effect, scythes, etc...A few pretty adamant that such designs couldn't be done due to lore. Honestly I think the more people say no to something the more likely they make it to be lol. Yoshida over there looking "seems like people think I can't do this... I'll show them!" . Similar stuff happened with other topics, like beast tribes and summons.

Though one person did describe the actions 'against' certain ideas not so much as things are impossible, but as they're concerned players are going to encourage bad changes to the story. Which I respected as that's like players who want no ultimate or all ultimate content, not that it's impossible just "I don't like the sound of that".

As for the thread sake- to me it seems relatively similar to as it was before, still a lot of people who think the game can do no wrong, still a lot of people who think the game only does wrong. /shrug lol. I think we're generally similar, I've not seen huge shifts in culture that are horrid and concerning. Still a lot of nice people, nice people who've had bad days sometimes, and then a few others, just like normal.

I think it is honestly fine if someone thinks the game is perfect, a bit weird if they think it's the worst and are still playing though..., but just what gets my goat is people shutting down ideas, especially lazily. Can nearly hear my brain start to click when I read that stuff O_o O_O o_O, like captain hook and the crocodile clock. Since I've not said anything good, I'll counter myself and say I know I write a lot.. so I'm sure many wish there was headlines they could read instead of the post lol.

[Krotoan]

totally random just popped into OP's head REDDIT THREAD.

Summary: Because I met these jerks (saw them talking) the entire community is like this right????!?!?

no.

Grats on engaging one negative aspect of an entire player population and stereotyping the vast majority of players who are reasonable people just playing a game.

you know what almost the entire first page of the forums is? Complaints about the game.

You know what the majority of the responses in those are? Complaints and validation of those complaints.

Does toxic positivity exist? Yes. Is it unique to this population or particularly a problem here? No.