Macrocosmos completely invalidating the P3S heal check is stupid

[Silver-Strider]

As a healer main and a SCH main I do find it funny that the biggest issue (as far as this thread) is that a healer job actually has a capstone ability that feels like a capstone ability should, and we have no idea how to cope with this. i can't think of a better indictment to how awful healing as a role is in XIV and it makes me sad.

It's more to do with powercreep.

I'd argue that Panhaima/Seraph/Lilybell all feel about equal in terms of their general power but then you have Macrocosmos sticking out like a sore thumb. I mean, when an ability at its worst is still equally as potent as the above mentioned skills, there's a very clear difference in power that needs to be addressed.

[Chopstix]

I understand where u r coming from but this is kind of whatever. 1 HP mechanics have been a thing b4, u deal with it the same way here as u did b4. Also, do u need to be completely 100%? I know it is a big hit coming after, need lots of mits, but i dont think leaving the tank at half hp is a problem, right?

Also, fun fact, u can skip the aoe after deathtoll with decent groups, so u wont need to worry about that soon.

[_forgotten]

My cohealer recleared on WHM and basically we took the L on a healer L3. Is this not what is the common response to this mechanic?

[Rika007]

It's more to do with powercreep.

I'd argue that Panhaima/Seraph/Lilybell all feel about equal in terms of their general power but then you have Macrocosmos sticking out like a sore thumb. I mean, when an ability at its worst is still equally as potent as the above mentioned skills, there's a very clear difference in power that needs to be addressed.

Issue is with the exception of Lillybell, the other two abilities are both 2 minute cooldowns. So Macrocosmos SHOULD be more powerful then those two, as it's a 3 minute cooldown and thus should feel more powerful then those two. I would say even a reworked LillyBell that allows for more healer control and agency and less niche use should be pushed down to 2 minutes, as it just is not strong enough to justify a 3 minute cooldown.

Hollowed Ground is by far the most superior of the tank inulns, but it should be when we consider it's ungodly cooldown time.

[Silver-Strider]

Issue is with the exception of Lillybell, the other two abilities are both 2 minute cooldowns. So Macrocosmos SHOULD be more powerful then those two, as it's a 3 minute cooldown and thus should feel more powerful then those two. I would say even a reworked LillyBell that allows for more healer control and agency and less niche use should be pushed down to 2 minutes, as it just is not strong enough to justify a 3 minute cooldown.

Hollowed Ground is by far the most superior of the tank inulns, but it should be when we consider it's ungodly cooldown time.

In terms of 3 minute CDs, Benediction and Dissipation are in desperate need of reevaluation as well.

[Semirhage]

This is one instance in one fight. Not something that should invalidate any ability. If you don't want to LB you can just heal through stuff, or you can take an ast into the fight. Just like if you want to invalidate FoF you can take a whm (or sch)... or just get on with your life and do your best healing it. Or if you want to invalidate any other [insert mechanic] then take [insert class/skill here]. There are going to be plenty of mechanics that one healer is going to do significantly better at than another, pointing fingers at one mechanic with one comp isn't going to demonstrate much. What CDs does the AST/SGE comp have available at that point in the fight? Do you know? How would they tackle the mechanic without macros? etc. etc. There's way more that goes into balancing comps/encounters than just "whaaa ast broken here"

For ONCE we get class design that isn't homogenized to the ground. Where some healers are getting us through some mechanics easier than others. Do some skills need a bit of a buff (looking at you WHM) sure. But it's totally a step in the right direction. Yet players still find a reason to pull us back to every healer getting the same rehashed kit.

The difference here is that there is only one job capable of trolling all over this mechanic with a single button press. Several healers have tools for dealing with FoF with one or two button presses. NOBODY but Astro has the ability to outright ignore a healblocking mechanic like this one, and it's because the encounter design team didn't look at Macrocosmos and realize that dealing max damage to the entire party up to four times over stores up a heal so gigantic that it can skip the mechanic.

I maintain that this is cheesy mechanic interaction that wasn't intended, and Square is likely going to either nerf the ability altogether, or change how it interacts with Death's Toll.

I've heard this BS over and over again that it's "good that some healers are good at some things" and I roll my eyes hardcore, because this is something that only -ever- applies to healers that aren't WHM. What's the mechanic that WHM, and only WHM, has a humongous advantage over all three other healers? Oh it's nothing? Because it's always nothing. I'm so bored of this eternal, ridiculous cycle where WHM is trash, the other healers are just strictly superior choices in nearly every way, and we go round and round again with "oh it's okay you'll get fixed someday".

I sat through this BS in Heavensward, sat through it in Stormblood, sat through it in Shadowbringers. I'm so tired of how unbelievably terrible WHM is compared to the other healers.

[Azurarok]

What's the mechanic that WHM, and only WHM, has a humongous advantage over all three other healers?

Benediction specifically for Living Dead and NPCs in FATES and solo content, then Holy's stun. Far from a humongous advantage, if even one, but it will always be treated like it is.

YoshiP also mentioned they upped the damage on Art of War more than Holy specifically to close that advantage in the Famitsu Media Tour interview. He also notes that Expedient was designed with that in mind as well, so if anything it isn't one for sure now.

[pinkbubblegum]

My cohealer recleared on WHM and basically we took the L on a healer L3. Is this not what is the common response to this mechanic?

Depends on the group really. If they want to use it on DPS LB you can just heal through it normally but yeah, up to groups how they wanna tackle it.

[Ironthorne]

Benediction specifically for Living Dead and NPCs in FATES and solo content, then Holy's stun. Far from a humongous advantage, if even one, but it will always be treated like it is.

YoshiP also mentioned they upped the damage on Art of War more than Holy specifically to close that advantage in the Famitsu Media Tour interview. He also notes that Expedient was designed with that in mind as well, so if anything it isn't one for sure now.

Can't wait for the buffs WHM will get to compensate for the advantages other healers have over it!

Any day now...

[Mortex]

Benediction specifically for Living Dead and NPCs in FATES and solo content, then Holy's stun. Far from a humongous advantage, if even one, but it will always be treated like it is.

YoshiP also mentioned they upped the damage on Art of War more than Holy specifically to close that advantage in the Famitsu Media Tour interview. He also notes that Expedient was designed with that in mind as well, so if anything it isn't one for sure now.

Oh boy I really do love the fact I can’t weave shit in holy because for whatever ungodly reason they thought too make it the same recast as cast time in comparison too every other healer and also I can heal living dead no a drk with macrosomo also if I want. It’s even the same cd and if you even have a war/gnb you can ogcd heal the drk without many problems if you know it’s coming.