What's with SE and balancing

[Gruntler]

I get the feeling that people think that things like piercing and slashing debuffs were just "neat little bonuses" when, in reality, not having them made the game outrageously more difficult. It wasn't a cool little job synergy thing, you were literally telling every tank except WAR to go fuck themselves if you didn't have slashing debuff, every phys ranged to go fuck themselves if you didn't have a DRG, and every caster to go fuck themselves if you didn't have Mage's Ballad. Stormblood was the low point of this game's job design in every imaginable way, outside of some rotations being a little more fun and involved. But outside of the stuff that activates the monkey brain neurons of the average casual, it was horribly unbalanced and a large portion of job mechanics that gave the illusion of variability just stopped existing the moment you got good.

It wasn't a skill floor or skill ceiling thing either. It was a skill "take one step up and suddenly you do 15% more DPS without actually having to work for it" ladder.

'Well you didn't NEED to take ninja' said by people who had no idea that things like God Kefka existed and if you didn't have a ninja for its threat tools one of your healers would get autoed to death, just straight up deleted.

Tank stances and enmity being required, Accuracy requirements needing to be met.

Heavensward was the start of 'turn off tank stance and forget it' and there's nothing smart about 'you must have exactly x in this one stat, no more, and no less, or you're shit mate'

[AziraSyuren]

Honestly, HW was just silly dumb jank.

Now, it was silly, fun jank with a hilariously disproportionate gameplay-to-damage-reward ratio, but there's no need to pretend it was anything else. HW was even more unbalanced but at least that lack of balance led to fun gameplay. It felt like more of a traditional RPG in that sense, for better or worse.

[Hanayumi]

To be fair... Jobs currently are pretty freaking balanced with eachother. Despite the many flaws, things are nowhere near as far gone as they were in ARR and HW where some jobs were completely mandatory for certain content, not mention the far worst balancing in many other mmos. A lot of people dedicate themselves to only 1 or 2 jobs and and when changes roll in cant help but hate.

[Aikaal]

'Well you didn't NEED to take ninja' said by people who had no idea that things like God Kefka existed and if you didn't have a ninja for its threat tools one of your healers would get autoed to death, just straight up deleted.



Heavensward was the start of 'turn off tank stance and forget it' and there's nothing smart about 'you must have exactly x in this one stat, no more, and no less, or you're shit mate'

Some Bard literally quit my static in Stormblood because I went Monk over Dragoon. Imho, good riddance because Monk was pretty viable.

[ForteNightshade]

Some Bard literally quit my static in Stormblood because I went Monk over Dragoon. Imho, good riddance because Monk was pretty viable.

Viable, yes. Good? Not so much. I can't really fault your Bard for leaving. They're taking a 5% penalty the entire fight because you wanted to play Monk, which was objectively worse than Dragoon. Not say you should be forced to stay either but rather this is why the whole damage type debuff system was awful.

[Flatopia]

Viable, yes. Good? Not so much. I can't really fault your Bard for leaving. They're taking a 5% penalty the entire fight because you wanted to play Monk, which was objectively worse than Dragoon. Not say you should be forced to stay either but rather this is why the whole damage type debuff system was awful.

This. It sucked SO HARD to be told "sorry, I like this more, and because of that you are just going to hold this fucked up L and do garbage damage because of it."

Everyone celebrated the damage type debuffs being removed because they legit sucked. They were awful in 2.0, and they were awful until the day they died and everyone said they were awful for every part of it.

[Aikaal]

Viable, yes. Good? Not so much. I can't really fault your Bard for leaving. They're taking a 5% penalty the entire fight because you wanted to play Monk, which was objectively worse than Dragoon. Not say you should be forced to stay either but rather this is why the whole damage type debuff system was awful.

Yeah but quite frankly, I shouldn't be pressure to play a job because your job was doing 5% less damage to begin with. Tbh, with how FFLogs are, I wouldn't have mind it in SB to play DRG because BRD/MCH would have been the bottom anyways because all that sweet 5% damage should have been credited to the DRG and not BRD.

Nothing personal but... if you care about orange and pink logs during progression, please just reconsider your choices. Nobody cares. I also remember WAR being the top dog tank but world first UCoB had a Paladin and a Dark Knight for the clear.. Won't deny that WAR + PLD would have been better but it'S really cringe to prevent a player to play what he wants lol. It's also pretty petty to just yeet a group because said Bard doesn't have his personal DRG.

To begin with, BRD/MCH were the lowest DPS since, like, forever. The difference is Piercing Debuff damage bonus was credited to their damage so they "became" better with a DRG according to logs. Everybody know this is BS.

[Anhra]

After reading up that one Thread from Sebazy (Link here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ealer-designer.) and digesting it for a while, all the changes we got from Stormblood onward, kind of start to make sense.

The removal of TP, elemental defenses, materias, oversimplified Job changes, the fact that were getting less and less Dungeons/Trials/Difficult Content and the neglect of PvP content, it all happened because of Squeenix Buisness choice of saving Money and keeping the Battle System Team understaffed with only 4 People the entire time.

Personally, i am already considering leaving the Game for good depending on how the new PvP content turns out to be, because there is no way im going to pay for a Game monthly that doesnt even plan on improving and building up on the core aspects of a Game, which should be GAMEplay.

[Flatopia]

Yeah but quite frankly, I shouldn't be pressure to play a job because your job was doing 5% less damage to begin with.

Yes! This is exactly why the debuffs sucked and had no place in the game.

Not only did the bard player feel miserable because their DPS actually tanked for no reason other than someone else said "Monk looks fun"
But the guy playing Monk will feel bad because they know that just because they think another job is fun, they're actively making another player worse.

What a mistake lol. I'm so glad we're past it.