Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

[Seiori]

Why do you make these terrible topics?

To get a rise and arguments going, some people enjoy watching stuff like that unfold, it tickles them, they know how to set the bait and make sport out of it. The other alternative is he is a defender of the minority and wants to give them a voice.

[Kolaina]

Why do you make these terrible topics?

Because these threads are more entertaining than this games msq

[Mordrick]

Because these threads are more entertaining than this games msq

You're still doing the MSQ?

[Kolaina]

Oh now we got some whataboutism now. "You said I strawmanned now I'm saying you did too!". So we're going to imply I'm a hypocritic or something because I pointed it out to you first. Niceeee

Well since you both seem to think I need to chill out, Imma piece outta here and go play Endwalker o/ Have a nice day.

I’m not implying. I’m saying. Show me where I said you should not like endwalker and I’ll retract calling you a hypocrite. Now you’re attempting to gaslight when everything is clearly typed throughout this thread. =]

[MaxCarnage]

I’m not implying. I’m saying. Show me where I said you should not like endwalker and I’ll retract calling you a hypocrite. Now you’re attempting to gaslight when everything is clearly typed throughout this thread. =]

That seems to be a common trend here. "I'm going to accuse you of what I am actually doing so that you can't accuse me of doing it. And if you call me out on it, I'll gaslight you." Some people get so offended over nothing. Tell them that they can enjoy things if they want but you, personally, didn't and they attack you for being a hater. Funnily enough, that is a prime example of exactly what this thread is about.

[Remish]

Oh now we got some whataboutism now. "You said I strawmanned now I'm saying you did too!". So we're going to imply I'm a hypocritic or something because I pointed it out to you first. Niceeee

Well since you both seem to think I need to chill out, Imma piece outta here and go play Endwalker and enjoy myself
o/ Have a nice day.

I’m not implying. I’m saying. Show me where I said you should not like endwalker and I’ll retract calling you a hypocrite. Now you’re attempting to gaslight when everything is clearly typed throughout this thread. =]

That seems to be a common trend here. "I'm going to accuse you of what I am actually doing so that you can't accuse me of doing it. And if you call me out on it, I'll gaslight you." Some people get so offended over nothing. Tell them that they can enjoy things if they want but you, personally, didn't and they attack you for being a hater. Funnily enough, that is a prime example of exactly what this thread is about.

I'm going to give to you all straight. You're all strawmanning and gaslighting each other and not one of you are innocent and quite frankly it's annoying to read. Stop with the drama because right now I can't take any of you seriously. You're all in the wrong.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The cult-like fanaticism surrounding the game's story is honestly scary at times.

There is no Cult. Stop using Buzzwords that you likely got from Youtube or Twitch
People being enthusiastic about their game is not a Cult or Cult-like.

[MaxCarnage]

I'm going to give to you all straight. You're all strawmanning and gaslighting each other and not one of you are innocent and quite frankly it's annoying to read. Stop with the drama because right now I can't take any of you seriously. You're all in the wrong.

I would like to give it to you straight, as well. I would like you to point out where I Strawmanned. I would like to know how I accused them of saying something they did not say. I apologize if this comes off as standoffish. I'd like to see where I committed this fallacy. If I did, I will apologize.

[MagicPeanut]

Anyone is free to not enjoy the story or skip the cutscenes. Just know that I’ll be silently judging you for it.

But in all seriousness, I don’t see how it’s fair for someone to basically insult the MSQ and that others who enjoy it, aren’t allowed to defend it? It’s highly likely in this situation that people who play the game often (mentors or veterans) also enjoy the story. A sprout (or anyone for that matter) could easily deduce this and yet still choose to say it’s boring. In my eyes, it’s totally fair for someone else to disagree and state why. If the sprout can have an opinion, why can’t mentors/vets also have one? You have no right to take that away from them.

I don’t want anyone insulting each other, but people are free to debate and discuss.

[Skiros]

MFW "insult", "defend".

A sprout innocently asking how to buy a jump pot or that the story is boring isn't an "insult". It's them stating a preference. There is no need for 10 different mentors to pile on to "defend" the story. This is the context I'm talking about. It happens all the time:

Happens in the game a surprising amount, particularly in places like the Novice Network. Sometimes you'll see a sprout make an offhanded comment about a certain part of the story being boring, or say that they are mostly interested in endgame. God forbid they ask a question about story skips. Without fail, they get dogpiled by people telling them to unsubscribe from the game, or that the game "isn't for them". I've seen it happen on a smaller scale in FCs as well.

And yes, I'm using the word "fanatic" and it is a particularly strong choice of word. But if you're not a fanatic, you shouldn't be offended! If you actually think I'm calling singular *you* a fanatic, then there's actually something sus going on... I'm not talking about everyone who likes the story after all!