Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

[Ardeth]

People can do whatever they want. Stop being controlling weirdos. Always with the gatekeeping in this game...

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

If you don't like the MSQ then this isn't the game for you.

[Juun]

Shadowbringers and Endwalker have been handsdown the best story in any MMO I have ever played. No other MMO can even come near it.

[BaconBits]

HW still spanks every other expac fite me irl.

[Anvaire]

i think there is a difference between disliking the msq and disliking Aspects of it. For me, i do like the overall story of Endwalker, but there are parts that i feel were weak and i didnt like the resolution around Zodiark or Hydealyn for different reasons. But if I mention my reasons i often get accused of hating on the MSQ, which is far from the truth. I just dont think some of the things that happened were done well.

I think there is the clincher though for those who do fully dislike the MSQ. Its fine to dislike, but if they are going t go around saying its trash, then im sorry but they are only going to bring ire on themselves. If they say they dislike it, and thats that, i dont think anyone should hate on them. But people are strangely defensive of the things they like, myself included.

[Katt_Felista]

I'm not disliking the MSQ but sometimes i get bored and annoyed by the Alisaie / Alphinaud duo as well as Tataru. Even tho they kind of work like Puck in Berserk, they bring a bit of an optimist side to the story or else it might be depressing all around. I'd still like SE to commit to full grit / dark fantasy world / story for once and see how far they allow themselves to go. It might not be in FFXIV medium / format.

While it looks like a more mature / adult take with FFXIV feel, I don't even think FF16 will even touch that humanity despair, darkness and horror depth still. Seems like no one has the will to fully commit to it to it's bad end and chaotic world in flames and war ineluctable conclusion. I see in the writing and scenes, the will and the means to go further. But censored and kept back by "familly friendly all around this is an mmorpg for everyone yay let's allways make happy endings".

It would need a title they would be allowed to experiment and take risks. They used to take risks with more obscure games like Einhander, Erhgeiz (nier could be also one of theses) and many other side titles of their own. Not games they delegate to other studios, but their own.

[SturmChurro]

The other day I used a power pass in Lost Ark, and I felt like the way they approached this would be a decent way for new (or boosted) players in this game. Since the overarching story is over in Endwalker, and now it's a good new starting point. New players have to go through hundreds of hours of story - even if they skip through dialogue. In the future this will become more and more of a problem for players trying to get to more up to date content.

What that game did was have a narrator explain to your character (including select cutscenes) the major story events preceding their place in the story after a boost. Completely optional, with rewards available to encourage the player to actually do this. At the end of the story summary, players are placed in a training room where they can learn further features of the game and combat - which also includes more rewards as encouragement to do it.

[Skiros]

this is the og thread

[Momo_Kozuki]

How about just accepting that:

1) Your opinion is minority (gasp!)
2) Part of the majority, not all of them, will react somewhat hostile if you criticize what they like.

3) Learn to listen to who gives your valid and constructive responses, vs ignore who just go for personal attacks. Sometimes, people mix those approaches together.
4) Understand that you will not be able to convince everyone about your stand. This is not Age of Empire where you can just wo lo lo people into your side by talking.
5) Stop trying to tell people on Internet being nice. They don't and they won't, simple. The anonymous environment make people likely more aggressive.

[RayneBoemir]

I get someone not liking the story or MSQ, but you don’t need to voice it just like you saying we don’t need to offer a rebuttal.

What is the point of complaining to us about the story are we supposed to magically change it for you?