Living Dead change idea

[NightHour]

Possible Idea:

If you activate Walking Dead, and your Simulacrum (Living Shadow) is out, it will kill the living shadow instead of you.

Then Walking Dead is even more useless than it is right now and will also make your level 80 dps ability useless too.


Defensive cooldowns should never be tied to your damage resources.


This is the main reason The Blackest Night is more like The Trashest Night right now.

Defensive ability that eats DPS resources.

[Lyth]

This is correct. We've seen historically that defensive moves that confer a dps loss to the tank simply don't get used outside of early progression. Now if the effect read 'it will kill a healer instead of you', then you'd probably see it get a lot of use.

[baklava151]

my idea of changing LD would be to make it a aoe invul that your allies can also benefit from. So now drk can save not only themselves but the other tank/group members during a big tank buster or shared buster.
Drk pops LD, a big 10yalm wide aoe appears below them, now the drk and any ally standing in the circle gains the benefit of walking dead where they cant be reduced to 0hp. At the end of the timer (10's) every ally including the drk recover hp equal to 50% of their max hp.

You just gave DRK a Tank LB without the LB gauge lol

[Liam_Harper]

At this point the most realistic change to ask for in a patch would simply be:

"Grants the effect of Living Dead. When HP is reduced to 0 while under the effect of Living Dead, instead of becoming KO'd, your status will change to Walking Dead and Doom.
Duration: 10s
While under the effect of Walking Dead, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1. If, before the Walking Dead timer runs out, HP is 50% restored, the Doom effect will fade. If 50% is not restored, you will be KO'd."

Basically a simple buff without changing the identity. You only require half the amount of healing and you no longer lose the invuln when healed.

[Oizen]

At this point the most realistic change to ask for in a patch would simply be:

"Grants the effect of Living Dead. When HP is reduced to 0 while under the effect of Living Dead, instead of becoming KO'd, your status will change to Walking Dead and Doom.
Duration: 10s
While under the effect of Walking Dead, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1. If, before the Walking Dead timer runs out, HP is 50% restored, the Doom effect will fade. If 50% is not restored, you will be KO'd."

Basically a simple buff without changing the identity. You only require half the amount of healing and you no longer lose the invuln when healed.

Yeah but the identity is dogshit and theres no reason that a tank abilitiy should be a raid mechanic for another party member. I don't get why people would want anything other than a skill that Dark Knight has the tools to use on their own.

Living Dead should be a utility skill like the other invuls, not a hindrance, making it less of a hindrance doesn't make it good.

[Lammas]

Walking Dead: Your HP cannot go below 1, and you are shielded for 50% of your maximum HP.

The second part of your suggestion is about what I'd optimally want to see that skill turned into. Remove the initial living dead and the heal check out of it so it's just a holmgang on a 5 minute cooldown and then slap a 100 % of your max health shield on top of it.

Now you've got an actual functional invuln for tank busters in that you can't fall below 1 but it could also be used for uptime cheese to avoid damage downs like PLD and GNB can as most mechanics that you'd greed like that don't tend to do 100 % of your health in damage (also you could pair it with other mits if needed for that kind of use). It would also be very useful in dungeons which should somewhat appease all the people that for some reason seem to be having a ton of trouble dealing with...

[Lyth]

The shield is superfluous. If you're at 1 HP, you're mitigating all incoming damage anyways, so you're just doubling up mitigation unnecessarily. If you wanted a flat shield effect, it would need to apply when the death prevention effect ends. One way of doing this would be:

Living Dead: Most attacks cannot reduce your HP to less than 1.
Additional Effect: Grants Shield when Living Dead expires.
Shield Effect: Creates a barrier equivalent to (fatal) damage prevented while Living Dead is active, up to a maximum of X% of your maximum HP. Duration: 5 seconds

And yeah, to echo the earlier point, any 'solution' that simply changes the % healing requirement on Living Dead doesn't address the problem. The only acceptable % healing requirement is 0%.

[ForteNightshade]

At this point the most realistic change to ask for in a patch would simply be:

"Grants the effect of Living Dead. When HP is reduced to 0 while under the effect of Living Dead, instead of becoming KO'd, your status will change to Walking Dead and Doom.
Duration: 10s
While under the effect of Walking Dead, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1. If, before the Walking Dead timer runs out, HP is 50% restored, the Doom effect will fade. If 50% is not restored, you will be KO'd."

Basically a simple buff without changing the identity. You only require half the amount of healing and you no longer lose the invuln when healed.

While it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like this, or worse, increase the duration of Walking Dead to 15-20 seconds. Neither actually fixes the fundamental issue with Living Dead: Healers don't want to heal it, period. Nor should they have to when every other invuln doesn't demand a massive amount of healing immediately after activating. Not to mention, people hardly pay attention as it is. Slapping a Doom on the party UI wouldn't make them heal it faster. Hell, some may try to Esuna.

All in all, Living Dead should be standardized with the other invulns and not punish you for using it.

[Undeadfire]

increase the duration of Walking Dead to 15-20 seconds.

This would be incredibly powerful, push to OP if it was made 15-20s duration the Walking Dead, that is a long a*** time being unkillable.

[Lyth]

I would take a minute shorter recast on an invuln over 10 seconds longer duration any day.