Think We'll get the Other Elemental Egi for SMN next Expansion?

[Soge01]

And by that, I mean Leviathan (Water), Shiva (Ice), Ramuh (Lightning), Hydalyn (Light) and Zodiark (Dark).

Ever since Uriagner talked about the true elemental Wheel thingy on the First back in Shadowbringers and FFXIV team revamping SMN into being able to finally and freely fully summon Ifrit, Garuda and Titan with no strings attached. It's made me wonder if they're setting up SMN to function like how the true elemental wheel thingy does where we'll summon specific egi in a certain pattern in order to eventually call forth Hydalyn or Zodiark for one big monstrous attack! While our regular demi summons are decoupled from the summoning roulette and are configuring into more of a situational use. Such as Bahamut being summoned to quickly burned down mobs with its relentless AoE attacks and Phoenix helping party members recover HP faster when the Healer can't handle it on their own.

Like... Light represents stagnation, while Darkness represents rapid acceleration in the world of FFXIV. So, by summoning three Egi in a row that correspond with either element.... You know what? I'm too dumb and hyper right now, so let me do it this way:

Fire, Lightning, Wind = Summoning Zodiark

Ice, Earth, Water = Summoning Hydalyn

Uhh... So what do you guys think about all of this?

[Denji]

doubt it.

most you'll get is alphie's obsidian carbuncle if you do.

also i'm still annoyed i can't replace my fairy with a carbuncle.

[Soge01]

doubt it.

most you'll get is alphie's obsidian carbuncle if you do.

also i'm still annoyed i can't replace my fairy with a carbuncle.

Maybe, but you never know. I very much doubt they'll leave SMN in the state it's in now without at least giving it some sort of complexity with its summoning system in order to appease players who enjoyed the feel of the original SMN, while still keeping it as it is, but in a much better spot.

Ooh, now THAT is a crying shame! That, and we still don't have emotes to interact with Eos either!

[LauraAdalena]

doubt it.

most you'll get is alphie's obsidian carbuncle if you do.

also i'm still annoyed i can't replace my fairy with a carbuncle.

I doubt even that now. Because now summoners can’t replace their 90 summons with carbuncle.

They won’t give us. Carbuncle, they’re more likely removing Carbuncle altogether WHICH I WANT MY LEVEL 90 ALL CARBUNCLE SUMMONER. FIX IT

[aveyond-dreams]

The most logical progression for Summoner moving forward is another round of elemental summons after Phoenix, almost assuredly Shiva/Leviathan/Ramuh unless we go to Meracydia in 7.0, in which case they would likely give Sophia/Zurvan/Sephirot. Summoner has continued to receive at least 1 new summon since Stormblood, and I do not forsee them breaking that trend in the future especially now that the class has returned to the focus of summon magic.

I also fully support your idea to someday add in the ability to summon Hydaelyn and Zodiark in the future, I envision Hydaelyn specifically as being able to "sunder" a single target for high damage while Zodiark would perform some kind of AoE attack. Additional summons I'd like to see include the much-requested demi-Alexander, and perhaps demi-Odin as both could be summoned back in FFXI.

With that being said, I do not believe it should be a goal to "appease" old SMN players who favored the horrific systems of old SMN. If people still miss that job they need to move on already or submit their ideas for future job concepts instead of trying to bring back awful mechanics like the old trances/dot interactions/and "ruin stacking" for goodness sake. One thing is complexity, another thing is irrelevant busywork that only serves to cover up for the fact that the class was on the road to nowhere for the past 8 years until it abruptly corrected course and gained an actual focus.

[Remish]

The most logical progression for Summoner moving forward is another round of elemental summons after Phoenix, almost assuredly Shiva/Leviathan/Ramuh unless we go to Meracydia in 7.0, in which case they would likely give Sophia/Zurvan/Sephirot. Summoner has continued to receive at least 1 new summon since Stormblood, and I do not forsee them breaking that trend in the future especially now that the class has returned to the focus of summon magic.

I also fully support your idea to someday add in the ability to summon Hydaelyn and Zodiark in the future, I envision Hydaelyn specifically as being able to "sunder" a single target for high damage while Zodiark would perform some kind of AoE attack. Additional summons I'd like to see include the much-requested demi-Alexander, and perhaps demi-Odin as both could be summoned back in FFXI.

With that being said, I do not believe it should be a goal to "appease" old SMN players who favored the horrific systems of old SMN. If people still miss that job they need to move on already or submit their ideas for future job concepts instead of trying to bring back awful mechanics like the old trances/dot interactions/and "ruin stacking" for goodness sake. One thing is complexity, another thing is irrelevant busywork that only serves to cover up for the fact that the class was on the road to nowhere for the past 8 years until it abruptly corrected course and gained an actual focus.

I recall the last time they ever talked about additional Egis in a Live Letter, they showed artwork on paper of a Ramuh, and Sephirot Egis but the ideas were clearly scrapped. The Sephirot egi was just the minion used in the Sephirot fight and the Ramuh Egi was the same but of the small Arbiter adds. They didn't show artwork for Leviathan but mentioned he was on the list. Wish I knew which live letter it was from but it's definitely a pretty old Stormblood one.

I always wanted an Odin summon personally.

[Soge01]

I always wanted an Odin summon personally.

I always imagined the dev team designing Odin to just be a Trance state because of how Odin in XIV is the blade, rather than the body it possesses.

Either way, I hope we get him someday, too! It's a real shame we never got to see the real him again after he escaped Gridanian custody waaaaay back in ARR. I hope he pops up again somewhere after Endwalker.

[Soge01]

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I hope they don't break the trend. Its always nice seeing what kind of new little summon toy we get next to torture our favorite trash mobs with. Muwahahaha!!!!!

Yeaaah, but it's the FFXIV team. They're probably going to try and give them at least something so as to temper their anger a bit. Either that or we'll get a new job that gives us a DoT caster that'll like. I know I'll like it. I love both the old and new Summoner! :3

[grinkdaboy]

i'd like demi alexander

[Denji]

i'd like demi alexander

nvm ignore my above post being negative i want this now too