The warrior 100% crit/DH needs addressing

[AziraSyuren]

Oh yeah? Answer me this, and answer me honestly: who cares?

It's not the casual WAR player who's playing it in dungeons. No, he loves it.
It's not the casual BRD/DRG players either. They don't even notice.
It's not the average savage/ultimate player. They're clearing just fine and think it's okay so long as WAR's dps is in line with the other tanks.
It's not even the average parser who cares, because a WAR being present won't make or break the difference between purple and orange as much as individual skill.

No, the only ones who care are those who think that an optimal comp will bring them closer to achieving a pink log, or maybe even gold. You wanna know something? Few people will care to even humor such an audience, let alone the devs when they examine if whether or not WAR's in a good place.

Yeah pretty much.

As much as I love high-end parsing, going for pinks or golds is a minority within a minority, and consistent orange level players are already so good that they can carry a party's damage. While devs occasionally pay attention to niche optimization-level play, they don't do it nearly often enough to think this is a change they'll even consider. I'd consider the issues it causes with gearing and scaling much more pressing, but they'll probably solve those by giving WAR's potency buffs over the course of the expac like they did in ShB.

[Absimiliard]

Oh yeah? Answer me this, and answer me honestly: who cares?

It's not the casual WAR player who's playing it in dungeons. No, he loves it.
It's not the casual BRD/DRG players either. They don't even notice.
It's not the average savage/ultimate player. They're clearing just fine and think it's okay so long as WAR's dps is in line with the other tanks.
It's not even the average parser who cares, because a WAR being present won't make or break the difference between purple and orange as much as individual skill.

No, the only ones who care are those who think that an optimal comp will bring them closer to achieving a pink log, or maybe even gold. You wanna know something? Few people will care to even humor such an audience, let alone the devs when they examine if whether or not WAR's in a good place.

You obviously haven't paid much attention to how people think. None of what you said here will deter people from barring WAR from their groups. There's a not insignificant number of people that choose to "follow the meta" despite not being anywhere near the level where they need to and, generally speaking, having no idea what the differences actually are aside from X job gets better numbers than Y job. It is at this point fairly common for jobs to be barred from participation despite being functionally sound for no reason other than the above.

[Navnav]

This is like asking a landlord to fix the wall you decided to break down so you could install an American kitchen lol.
Stop...

[The_User]

Rather than make it universal why not just make it WAR exclusive trait if you really want to fix it?

[smol_cofe]

war needs a dps bump not related to parsing but lore

[Argyle_Darkheart]

This problem needs to be addressed at some point, though I have little hope that it will be, quite frankly (at least not directly).

MCH is another job affected by this as Reassemble forces a CDH. DNC also has a forced CDH that they must use within the duration of their CDH chance buff, funnily enough. That said, neither of these jobs are as affected by this issue as WAR, for what it's worth.

...it's strictly a parsing issue.

Hard disagree. It's also a job balance issue (albeit a minor one), as this interaction devalues Critical Hit Rate and Direct Hit Rate raid buffs.

[RyuDragnier]

A genuine question here...who are the fools who even give a damn that a WAR is there with a DRG and SCH in the party? I have never seen a group care about that sort of thing before, and if they do, then they obviously were not worth your attention.

[ForteNightshade]

A genuine question here...who are the fools who even give a damn that a WAR is there with a DRG and SCH in the party? I have never seen a group care about that sort of thing before, and if they do, then they obviously were not worth your attention.

If you're aiming for high APS, you have to exclude Warrior with both those jobs. They aren't being jerks but their two strongest raid buffs are entirely ignored otherwise For example sake, pulling up a Dark Knight's logs, they gained 140 DPS from Litany and 100 from Chain. Running with Warrior means they lose that damage, and thus, get a lower APS score.

[Alzinor]

Tonight my warrior was excluded from a barse group. No they were not toxic, just pointed out that they have a DRG and a SCH. I'm not even mad, I understand. Regardless, this really highlights my one gripe with warrior. It simply cannot take advantage of crit and DH buffs that BRD, DRG and SCH have to offer (not sure if there r others).

One does not even need a barsing tool to see that this is a problem. I know that 122% DH does nothing more for me than 100% DH, or 100%+ crit vs flat 100%.

Currently I can think of two ways of addressing this. No dmg boost to warrior is not going to fix this one bit.

Option A: convert all the niche crit and DH raid buffs to just flat dmg. One could argue these jobs would lose their identity. SCH would be like ninja, BRD would have many different flat dmg boosts (2 of their songs would need to become flat dmg boosts as well, thus removing some of their unique aspects). Overall a simple but boring solution.

Option B: introduce a mechanic where crit and DH over 100% is converted into additional dmg. This would also give a bit of a boost to the DRG autocrits (im unsure if there r any other cases of 100% crit/DH chance outside of WAR/DRG). Addresses the root of the problem, but could potentially be some difficult coding work.

Honestly I don't have high hopes of this pesky issue getting addressed, but I do feel better for putting it out there (I got no hits after some brief googling).

Thank you, and have a nice day!

it is a bit dumb since your guaranteed crit count as a crit given by their buff (you can check it on logs) so they literally steal dps from you for nothing and it help them to make a better parse.

I remember a drama about a warrior right clicking on the litanny buff to prevent drg to steal his rdps

[Leonerdo]

it is a bit dumb since your guaranteed crit count as a crit given by their buff (you can check it on logs) so they literally steal dps from you for nothing and it help them to make a better parse.

Oh dear, this is first i heard of this. How do u check this in logs exactly?

Nope, Chain doesn't steal anything from auto-crits. Just checked a WAR log that had IR buff and Chain buff at the same time. After filtering Fell Cleave to only ones with IR buff, it does not list any rDPS stolen by Chain.

Out of curiosity, I checked the top 60 SCH parses in P1S, and only one has a WAR. So yeah, it's a bit of an issue. There's also only one with a PLD, but that's just because PLD doesn't focus on burst, which is something that probably never will (and shouldn't?) be fixed. The auto-crit problem is possible to fix though, I think.