The warrior 100% crit/DH needs addressing

[Chopstix]

Tonight my warrior was excluded from a barse group. No they were not toxic, just pointed out that they have a DRG and a SCH. I'm not even mad, I understand. Regardless, this really highlights my one gripe with warrior. It simply cannot take advantage of crit and DH buffs that BRD, DRG and SCH have to offer (not sure if there r others).

One does not even need a barsing tool to see that this is a problem. I know that 122% DH does nothing more for me than 100% DH, or 100%+ crit vs flat 100%.

Currently I can think of two ways of addressing this. No dmg boost to warrior is not going to fix this one bit.

Option A: convert all the niche crit and DH raid buffs to just flat dmg. One could argue these jobs would lose their identity. SCH would be like ninja, BRD would have many different flat dmg boosts (2 of their songs would need to become flat dmg boosts as well, thus removing some of their unique aspects). Overall a simple but boring solution.

Option B: introduce a mechanic where crit and DH over 100% is converted into additional dmg. This would also give a bit of a boost to the DRG autocrits (im unsure if there r any other cases of 100% crit/DH chance outside of WAR/DRG). Addresses the root of the problem, but could potentially be some difficult coding work.

Honestly I don't have high hopes of this pesky issue getting addressed, but I do feel better for putting it out there (I got no hits after some brief googling).

Thank you, and have a nice day!

[AziraSyuren]

Excess crit and dhit should definitely be converted into a damage buff, yeah.

The guaranteed crit and dhit is a bit of a double edged sword tbh. It's a thematic masterstroke, sure, but it definitely results in balance issues. It's going to end up scaling the worst out of any tank, too, because it benefits the least from higher crit. Right now it's probably as strong as it's ever going to be relative to the other tanks unless its damage gets buffed later on.

[Hierro]

I get why you would feel this way. I'm a parse monkey, and a WAR main at that too.

However

No one upstairs will consider this an issue because it's strictly a parsing issue. We're talking about a niche circumstance, under controversial conditions (most people don't do savage, let alone chase after numbers). If certain websites decided to look at raw damage as they did back in SB and prior, there would be absolutely no issue here and the community at large would proceed as they always have.

My advice to you is what I did in the previous tier: insist on going as WAR anyways, you'll eventually get the numbers you seek.

[Navnav]

This is like asking a landlord to fix the wall you decided to break down so you could install an American kitchen lol.
Stop...

[The_User]

Rather than make it universal why not just make it WAR exclusive trait if you really want to fix it?

[Chopstix]

being excluded from a barse run is a barsing issue yes, however, that is just a surface problem, it does not change the very fact that having a warrior in the party along with a BRD/DRG/SCH means there is overall raid dmg loss (outside of savage content as well)

it is akin to the dreaded pre EW days where the bard raid buff did not affect the bard themselves

and the loss isn't even negligible, i was surprised looking at how much more use my co tank GBR can get out of the bard raid buff as opposed to my poor warrior

[smol_cofe]

war needs a dps bump not related to parsing but lore

[Argyle_Darkheart]

This problem needs to be addressed at some point, though I have little hope that it will be, quite frankly (at least not directly).

MCH is another job affected by this as Reassemble forces a CDH. DNC also has a forced CDH that they must use within the duration of their CDH chance buff, funnily enough. That said, neither of these jobs are as affected by this issue as WAR, for what it's worth.

...it's strictly a parsing issue.

Hard disagree. It's also a job balance issue (albeit a minor one), as this interaction devalues Critical Hit Rate and Direct Hit Rate raid buffs.

[RyuDragnier]

A genuine question here...who are the fools who even give a damn that a WAR is there with a DRG and SCH in the party? I have never seen a group care about that sort of thing before, and if they do, then they obviously were not worth your attention.

[ForteNightshade]

A genuine question here...who are the fools who even give a damn that a WAR is there with a DRG and SCH in the party? I have never seen a group care about that sort of thing before, and if they do, then they obviously were not worth your attention.

If you're aiming for high APS, you have to exclude Warrior with both those jobs. They aren't being jerks but their two strongest raid buffs are entirely ignored otherwise For example sake, pulling up a Dark Knight's logs, they gained 140 DPS from Litany and 100 from Chain. Running with Warrior means they lose that damage, and thus, get a lower APS score.