In March Linux Proton Users Will No Longer Be Able to Play The Game

[darkvalefor]

Problem is linux users have direct access to their kernals making cheating significantly easier. Its why Bungie made a post a few weeks back straight up saying that if you try to play on linux they will ban you.

You do not need Kernel level access in order to cheat. Bungie wants kernel access in order to implement a system which can check what processes you have open in order to prevent you to cheat, because they couldn't figure out another way to stop it, but cheats exist in Windows and have allways existed. In fact, I think right now it would be harder to cheat on Linux than on Windows, considering software like CheatEngine exists.

All this does not even matter here tho, because the goal of that Anti-cheat software is to prevent the offline user from cheating, so that their online interactions are legitimate. Here we are talking about an MMO which runs must of the logic and cheat detection on the server, it has nothing to do with the client. Whatever cheat you would do in the client SE would probably notice and ban your account as you are allways online, so again, Kernel access has nothing to do here.

And in any case the fact that linux kernel is open source does not mean you cannot make any privative kernel module, it's just if you wanted it to work on every linux distro, or in this case on any linux kernel you would have to either provide the source code, which Bungie obviously wouldn't do, and i totally support they don't (giving someone the source code of an anti-cheat software would make people figure out how to break it), you could also provide binaries for specific linux kernel versions and it would work without an issue, making no difference from Windows. So i totally don't see your point here at all.

[DPZ2]

They will have no choice but to improve their <insert favorite swear word here> code moving forward because the backbone of their launcher is depreciated, and no longer supported by Microsoft.

MSHTML, in all of its glory, is supported software, through 2029. It works perfectly fine on Windows 10 and Windows 11. There may be better technologies, but SE is under no contract with the Linux community to use them. Perhaps this solution doesn't cost anything to use? I know if they went to Java instead they'd be paying large amounts of money to Oracle for licensing.

[DPZ2]

Imagine wanting to be able to use the product you pay for
Pretty entitled amirite

...like I don't use Linux, never have, prooobably never will, but some of the responses to this problem are genuinely kind of baffling.

You pay for a Windows PC license, not a Linux license. The fact that PC games work on Linux, unsupported by the game companies themselves, is a testament to the creativity of programmers in the Linux community. That does not excuse Linux user complaints to Square Enix for breaking their working system when introducing a feature in their Windows software. They are complaining to the wrong people.

[darkvalefor]

You pay for a Windows PC license, not a Linux license. The fact that PC games work on Linux, unsupported by the game companies themselves, is a testament to the creativity of programmers in the Linux community. That does not excuse Linux user complaints to Square Enix for breaking their working system when introducing a feature in their Windows software. They are complaining to the wrong people.

People are just asking SquareEnix for support for a new platform (the Steam Deck) because they find it cool to be able to play the game on a handheld console. Maybe it doesn't seem like a good idea to you, but for some people it is. They are not depanding anything, but giving a suggestion, that SquareEnix is like you say, free to ignore.

Many people give suggestions in these forums that go nowhere, and then some of those suggestions are listened to, that's what the forums are for anyway. If we get a clear response from SquareEnix saying there are no plans to support the Steam Deck, then, so be it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't suggest opening a new market.

I mean, they added support for macOS, which except for high end Macs, the game doesn't run really well, and still they decided to add support for it, What's wrong asking for support for a new handheld console that looks promising?

Just stop seeing it as complaints and try to see it just as a suggestion.

[Ransu]

Maybe you should take it up with valve then? Valve are the ones that wanted to cut costs by using linux so the problem is with them, not square.

[cynical_baby]

SE is the one forcing the new launcher on us. The game runs perfectly fine on linux with the old launcher; which you can still use - if you are not on steam. Only steam users got the middle finger from SE.

[Ransu]

SE is the one forcing the new launcher on us. The game runs perfectly fine on linux with the old launcher; which you can still use - if you are not on steam. Only steam users got the middle finger from SE.

But how is that squares problem? It sucks for linux users, but ya'll are the ones choosing to play on an unsupported OS. Clearly there was issues of fraud likely from key resellers and other security concerns so they felt the need to create changes for steam, and I'd put money down that the old launcher is probably going away for non steam users as well. Who knows when, but I guarantee its going away for the regular version as well if they are phasing it out for steam users.

[darkvalefor]

Maybe you should take it up with valve then? Valve are the ones that wanted to cut costs by using linux so the problem is with them, not square.

I don't think cutting the costs is the reason for Valve using SteamOS. It's more related to the hardware and integration, and having more control over which processes run on the console. Windows runs a lot of tasks and background processes you don't have control of and could drain your battery if those processes fire at a bad time.

If Microsoft launches a Windows version optimized for handheld devices that is not based on ARM maybe it would be a prefered option for Valve, but for now that's what they have and that's what they work with.

[Padudu]

I don't think cutting the costs is the reason for Valve using SteamOS. It's more related to the hardware and integration, and having more control over which processes run on the console.

Nah Valve just doesn't want to pay for the licensing lol. Windows is seemingly running fine on Steamdeck with some hiccups here and there, with no decreases as to performance as far as I'm aware of, looking through twitter. But this is looking solely through game emulation not through the Steam platform itself (Persona tbh lol).

edit: this isn't to poo on Linux people btw. I def think they should add support for it. Making a game unplayable through a launcher is ridiculous lol

[HereInPlainSight]

The problem with FF14 is, it relies extremly on certain Windows tech like Internet Explorer or DirectX. This can cause quickly serious trouble when those requirements are not completely met like with Linux + Wine.

DXVK is now an important part of the Linux gaming equation. DirectX, you're correct, used to be a huge problem. DXVK is the reason why in some instances, Linux can have better performance than Windows.

Problem is linux users have direct access to their kernals making cheating significantly easier. Its why Bungie made a post a few weeks back straight up saying that if you try to play on linux they will ban you.

What if I told you that kernel-level anti-cheats are bad for everyone no matter the OS?

Maybe you should take it up with valve then? Valve are the ones that wanted to cut costs by using linux so the problem is with them, not square.

Oh don't worry, the bug report's active over there. Also, Valve didn't pick going to Linux for monetary reasons. They picked it because Microsoft indicated it was a good idea to explore alternatives years ago.