Why do people stop doing the MSQ roulette once they get all their jobs to 90?

[Haventale]

Main Story Roulette specifically I hate. Once I got all my jobs to 80 before Endwalker came out, I made a promise to myself to never play that awful roulette again. And I haven’t. And I never will. And I’m happier this way. Also I don’t like Bozja. It’s ugly.

As for why people stop playing for everything else? I dunno. I like the rest of the game though.

[Avidria]

I mean I generally agree, though I also see the value in a structure based around rewards because getting things for effort is nice, but uh... The dungeons in MSQ roulette in particular are pretty much the most badly designed dungeons in the game, and the devs know it. There's a reason no other dungeon has been designed with 30+ minutes of cutscenes in it and why the rewards are so stupid good. They've even said they want to rework them but just haven't gotten around to it yet. So that specific example is a case where the devs definitely and overtly made a bad choice in design and slapped a bandaid on it lol

[MidnightEquinox]

Are the MSQ dungeons actually poorly designed vs just being undertuned on purpose? I don't see anything wrong with them if they were more difficult.

[Mimilu]

*Looks at OP's post vs their actual argument in a reply*
And this kids is why we always state our thesis statement in a clear, concise manner. XD

[Avidria]

Are the MSQ dungeons actually poorly designed vs just being undertuned on purpose? I don't see anything wrong with them if they were more difficult.

The absurdly long cutscenes in group content is what makes them poorly designed.

[Deceptus]

Extremely simple:

Rewards aren't worth the time invested.

[rainichan]

7 pages and no one has done this yet??

"Tell me, for whom do you fight?

How very glib.
And do you believe in Eorzea?

Eorzeas’ unity is forged on falsehoods. Its city-states are built on deceit, and its faith is an instrument of deception. It is naught but a cobweb of lies - to believe in Eorzea is to believe in nothing. In Eorzea, the beast tribes often summon Gods to fight in their stead.

Though your comrades only rarely respond in kind - which is strange, is it not? Are the twelve otherwise “engaged”? I was given to understand they were your protectors. If you truly believe them your guardians, why do you not repeat the trick that served you so well at Carteneau, and call them down? They will answer, so long as you lavish them with crystals and gorge them on aether. Your Gods are no different from those of the beasts - eikons, every one. Accept but this, and you will see how Eorzeas faith is bleeding the land dry. Nor is this unknown to your masters, which prompts the question - why do they cling to these false deities?

What drives even men of learning - even the great Louisoix - to grovel at their feet? The answer? Your masters lack the strength to do otherwise! For the world of man to mean anything, man must own the world. To this end, he hath fought ever to raise himself through conflict, to grow rich through conquest. And when the dust of battle settles, it is ever the strong who dictate the fate of the weak. Knowing this, but a single path is open to the impotent ruler - that of false worship. A path which leads to enervation and death. Only a man of power can rightly steer the course of civilization. And in this land of cReEpInG mEnDaCiTy, that one truth will prove its salvation. Come, champion of Eorzea, face me! Your defeat shall serve as proof of my readiness to rule! It is only right that I should take your realm, for none among you has the power to stop me!"

If that doesn't answer your question, I don't know what does. I put it in Comic Sans to try to spice it up, but it does nothing, does it? No one wants to hear Gaius's speech any more than they need to, seeing the same floors of PotD/HoH gets tiresome, and most people slammed through CLL/Dalriada to get what they wanted and they don't want to have to deal with it any longer. Same with Delubrum. I ran it over 100 times for my weapons and to get mounts/hair/low rarity things. I don't want to see it again because I'm tired of it. I ran msq roulette a ton getting all my classes to 80, and I run it when mogtomes come back if there's nothing faster (like last time with blu runs of T2.) It doesn't mean I like it, it means I want something and I'll go the fastest route to get it. If I never see msq roulette again it would be nice, but I know that's not the case, so I limit my time in there so I don't lose my dang mind from how boring it is.

[MidnightEquinox]

I mean, the cutscenes were skippable at one point. They were made unskippable due to the behavior of the playerbase. Otherwise, inherently, I don't see the problem with them.

[Jennah]

"Tell me, for whom do you fight?

How very glib.
And do you believe in Eorzea?

Eorzeas’ unity is forged on falsehoods. Its city-states are built on deceit, and its faith is an instrument of deception. It is naught but a cobweb of lies - to believe in Eorzea is to believe in nothing. In Eorzea, the beast tribes often summon Gods to fight in their stead.

Though your comrades only rarely respond in kind - which is strange, is it not? Are the twelve otherwise “engaged”? I was given to understand they were your protectors. If you truly believe them your guardians, why do you not repeat the trick that served you so well at Carteneau, and call them down? They will answer, so long as you lavish them with crystals and gorge them on aether. Your Gods are no different from those of the beasts - eikons, every one. Accept but this, and you will see how Eorzeas faith is bleeding the land dry. Nor is this unknown to your masters, which prompts the question - why do they cling to these false deities?

What drives even men of learning - even the great Louisoix - to grovel at their feet? The answer? Your masters lack the strength to do otherwise! For the world of man to mean anything, man must own the world. To this end, he hath fought ever to raise himself through conflict, to grow rich through conquest. And when the dust of battle settles, it is ever the strong who dictate the fate of the weak. Knowing this, but a single path is open to the impotent ruler - that of false worship. A path which leads to enervation and death. Only a man of power can rightly steer the course of civilization. And in this land of cReEpInG mEnDaCiTy, that one truth will prove its salvation. Come, champion of Eorzea, face me! Your defeat shall serve as proof of my readiness to rule! It is only right that I should take your realm, for none among you has the power to stop me!"

Pathetic. You were entrusted with the ultimate speech! The ultimate copypasta! So much for the glory of the forums.

[Avidria]

I mean, the cutscenes were skippable at one point. They were made unskippable due to the behavior of the playerbase. Otherwise, inherently, I don't see the problem with them.

You don't see a problem with a dungeon that was designed with 3/4ths of a 40 minute run consisting of cutscenes that, when skippable required up to 7 people to wait for literally 30+ minutes doing absolutely nothing for even worse rewards than we have now regardless of how many times they've been there if somebody was new and wanted them to wait, and if skipped could result in people being left behind or lost and also apparently could force progress cutscenes so they cut each other off? From the outset that was a terrible idea and was absolutely never going to go any differently than it did. I mean, people don't even like waiting 2 minutes for the cutscene at the last boss of Tower.

Making them unskippable fixed the problems with screwing over newbies who actually wanted to watch the climax of the ARR main story, but now we have a boring snoozefest of a dungeon so easy and so full of huge chunks of literal afk tab out non-content that you can literally have half the group afk the entire time and lose maybe like, a minute of time out of the 40 the dungeon takes.

The MSQ dungeons should have been solo dungeons from the start.

Anyway, my disdain for Prae's design aside, I agree content should he designed to be fun and have some replay value to begin with, but rewards also do extend the time people spend on the content regardless of how fun it is the first one or the first fifty times you do it. Roulettes being active means faster queues for the people who are on run one, and the rewards mean a reason to be there for the folks on run 3884848. So. Yeah.