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  1. #131
    Player Conundrum's Avatar
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  2. #132
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    My favorite thing is that a lot of current LA players were happy to see New World fail (some people just want to watch the MMORPG world burn, I guess), but now LA is being managed in the West by the same company... this is going to get really weird.
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  3. #133
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    Looks like there is a lot of salt in this thread, and I fail to see the issue. A new, good game released with a good track record, so what ? People might stick, or might not, if anything competition pushes companies to try out new things.
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  4. #134
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    You don't find the whole cycle of "hey new game!" "this will be the best game evah!" *3 months pass* "this game sucks! Wtf are devs smoking! Fire them all!" "oh, hey, another new game! shiny!" a bit weird?

    I don't mind a given person getting into Lost Ark (gambling practices aside). If most of the conversation was "Hey, this upcoming game is pretty cool because of this interesting combat system and horizontal progression!" I'd be all for it. But pretty much all mentions of Lost Ark I've been bombarded with have been about how it's going to come over and kill all the other games and I am fucking tired of all the gamers who fall for marketing hook and sinker and then 3 months later when the game is insufficiently perfect turn around and trash it and talk about how developers need to be fired. And then also start attacking all the people who still like the game.

    There seem to be a contingent of gamers where it feels them with glee at the idea that a game other people may very well love might lose players to some other game. Or that some games are bad to play and some games are good to play. People have done this to WoW for ages, and Destiny, too, and it's pathetic and always has been. If you pit games against each other, you don't deserve them.

    So it's not really about Lost Ark itself. It's about how some of you treat it like it'll be god's gift to gaming when it's just another game that may or may not succeed in a rather ruthless market. So when you say that we want to know what exactly is it that you've seen in it that makes it so special, and we look at it and it just seems like a fairly average Korean grinder, and we think you fell for marketing. Again. As you've done 30 times before.

    Good games are otherwise a personal affair, because people with refined taste know what they want and are not just chasing the latest shiny...
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  5. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post

    First New World, now Lost Ark. Does Amazon have some sort of specialty in creating duping problems or something?
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  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki View Post
    First New World, now Lost Ark. Does Amazon have some sort of specialty in creating duping problems or something?
    The classics never go out of style.

    alternatively...

    The exploit so nice, they released it twice!
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Rofl I swear, AGS is so incredibly incompetent.
    It's beyond ridiculous at this point they've only been screwing up constantly even since way before the game came out, and in like two days they've manage to screw multiple things up already.
    I feel bad for Smilegate I hope they drop them and self-publish.

    Edit: The funniest thing was also when the game director in the interview before launch said that he was completely baffled because AGS hadn't told us why the game was delayed.
    So people had been hating on AGS for it speculating wildly about why it's their fault it was delayed.
    In truth it was because the game director wanted to add T3 on launch, so it wasn't even their fault.

    The game director said that he didn't understand why they hadn't told us and that he was really surprise to read online that people were mad at AGS for it.
    The incompetency on display is just hilarious.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki View Post
    First New World, now Lost Ark. Does Amazon have some sort of specialty in creating duping problems or something?
    Duping is fairly common in games in general. The difference mostly is in how Amazon reacts. I think they end up to be even more short-sighted than your average greedy company so they think ignoring the issues and not properly addressing them will save them money.

    You know why ARR succeeded? It wasn't just luck. FF publishes also understood the value of reputation. AGS clearly doesn't.
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightEquinox View Post
    Duping is fairly common in games in general. The difference mostly is in how Amazon reacts. I think they end up to be even more short-sighted than your average greedy company so they think ignoring the issues and not properly addressing them will save them money.

    You know why ARR succeeded? It wasn't just luck. FF publishes also understood the value of reputation. AGS clearly doesn't.
    It's very sad, I've genuinely been excited about Lost Ark but AGS have only been screwing things up since the very beginning.
    Their handling of PR and the localization has just been completely awful.

    It really sucks that Korean games in particular are so hard to get in the West properly because I really love them they're so different and have great gameplay.
    I truly hope Smilegate drops AGS at some point and buys themselves out and self-publishes.
    The game director seems like a no bs type of guy and I think the guy who owns Smilegate owns it 100%.

    I really want Lost Ark to succeed I want to play it on the side next to FFXIV but I have absolutely zero faith in AGS and they've done nothing but prove me right for having no faith in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    You know FFXIV has had item dupes too, right?

    There was also a database exploit that allowed you to essentially freely edit your character data, including granting yourself levels and gil.

    People were making hundreds, even thousands of dollars duping and selling gil to goldsellers lol.
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