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  1. #341
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Uhh.. I don't see how when the player instantly dies in the majority of the examples I gave.
    Ah, so we've reached the sophistry part of the thread. Raising is part of the healer kit.

    The point is that people in parties are going to do unexpected things. They're going to do stupid things. It's going to be their fault. That doesn't change the idea that our role includes raising and healing. As I mentioned in a previous comment, sometimes there is a player who is straining our resources and we cannot pay as close attention to them. But that is not leaving them to their own devices because something was their fault. We're still responsible for utilizing our abilities to support our party even if they do dumb things. And if that idea is unacceptable, then you don't seem to be fit for being a healer in a situation where there are random elements. I'm sure you do fine in premades where all expectations are known and understood.
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  2. #342
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    Misutoraru's Avatar
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    Misutoraru Valkyrie
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    I don't have any issue whatsoever with OGCD heals. There are people (please not saying it's you) who don't see a cast bar and their first thought is "wtf heals", and don't even realize that heals have a limited range, or that standing at a 'ranged" position means running like an Olympic sprinter to avoid mechanics (and I'm too old for that).

    I really would like a dedicated job designer , because they not only would look at the healer jobs, but hopefully they would be involved in the dungeon designs. we could do some very interesting things as healers in terms of dungeon mechanics but some of our tools - like Esuna- are just not well designed for those types of mechanics.
    I am not against oGCD heal. Just I would rather spending more time healing than dps.
    Unfortunately, I could not take part in savage. The most “chaotic” normal content would probably be Alliance raid, and with a competent team I am still doing dps more than 80% of time.
    With oGCD instant heal, it feel even worse.

    Just the other day, doing expert roulette healer DC around 50% in a boss fight, we managed to finish the boss without anyone dying.

    Heal rework is really long needed, I miss the old day where we barely survive Titan HM triple storm
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  3. #343
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    I don't have any issue whatsoever with OGCD heals. There are people (please not saying it's you) who don't see a cast bar and their first thought is "wtf heals", and don't even realize that heals have a limited range, or that standing at a 'ranged" position means running like an Olympic sprinter to avoid mechanics (and I'm too old for that)
    Reminds me back in ShB when a random co-WHM in Delubrum normal typed in party: ”Glare isn’t your only button.” after first boss. I just had to respond in snark: ”Cure II & Medica II aren’t WHM’s only healing button.” because that’s what they’ve been doing whenever damage happens. Wasted my Asylum, Tetra, ignored my Temperance, and did not take account my Assizes and burning Raptures for movements. Of course I swapped into Glare Mage mode while also being one of the higher dps contributor.

    They stopped healing entirely from that point probably out of pettiness or whatever, but it only serve to further prove how redundant their ‘contributions’ are prior to that point. I never stopped my Glares. And they also Glared much more. Sounds like a win-win for the group to me.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 02-11-2022 at 10:06 PM.

  4. #344
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Ah, so we've reached the sophistry part of the thread. Raising is part of the healer kit.

    The point is that people in parties are going to do unexpected things. They're going to do stupid things. It's going to be their fault. That doesn't change the idea that our role includes raising and healing. As I mentioned in a previous comment, sometimes there is a player who is straining our resources and we cannot pay as close attention to them. But that is not leaving them to their own devices because something was their fault. We're still responsible for utilizing our abilities to support our party even if they do dumb things. And if that idea is unacceptable, then you don't seem to be fit for being a healer in a situation where there are random elements. I'm sure you do fine in premades where all expectations are known and understood.
    I honestly don't think it matters how many times I explain what I mean, or whatever else. It seems pretty obvious that, as a white mage, I am expected to cure 2 spam players, medica 2 spam, and hardcast raise the instant anybody dies. I'll go back to playing RDM more often if I ever get my weapon for it. Much less of a headache. I probably should buy some crafted gear for it.
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    WHM | RDM | DNC

  5. #345
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    VirusOnline's Avatar
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    Yoshi Papa
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Misutoraru View Post

    Heal rework is really long needed, I miss the old day where we barely survive Titan HM triple storm
    These days are long gone unfortunately
    If we don't want whales, then we have to sacrifice challenging content so that the support stands on casuals and limso land
    lesser evils and all that
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  6. #346
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    Aries Helle
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I honestly don't think it matters how many times I explain what I mean, or whatever else. It seems pretty obvious that, as a white mage, I am expected to cure 2 spam players, medica 2 spam, and hardcast raise the instant anybody dies. I'll go back to playing RDM more often if I ever get my weapon for it. Much less of a headache. I probably should buy some crafted gear for it.
    No it doesn’t matter.

    Sounds good on the RDM thing. A 35 page rant where most people turned against you isn’t a good look for your appeal either if it even matters at all. Just learn to be a chill person and if you feel like a company did an injustice to you stop giving them money and move on to other games. You’ll be better off for it.
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  7. #347
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    Arya Diavolos
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  8. #348
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    Sturm Churro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    No it doesn’t matter.

    Sounds good on the RDM thing. A 35 page rant where most people turned against you isn’t a good look for your appeal either if it even matters at all. Just learn to be a chill person and if you feel like a company did an injustice to you stop giving them money and move on to other games. You’ll be better off for it.
    I always played RDM quite a bit, but white mage is my main. At the start of an expansion I have to choose which to gear. I don't have gear for my RDM - so I can't play it regularly. I don't think anybody actually 'turned against' me, however. More like that's how it was at the start. Lol. There aren't any better games, as if. This is the best mmorpg available currently.
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  9. #349
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    Axxion's Avatar
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    Equinox Axxion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    Yeah, even if it's not your intention to powerplay, it can certainly come off that way. I don't know why some people are so strict when it comes to DF groups, it's pretty easy content. I was feeling a little inspired and decided to sketch out what you should avoid doing in DF since a picture is worth a thousand words. (This is my original character, please don't steal)

    I hope this helps people avoid getting warnings in the future.
    Can i share this and credit you?
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    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

  10. #350
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxion View Post
    Can i share this and credit you?
    I appreciate people still liking my artstyle. Seems to be catching on!
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