Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[Padudu]

the appeal isn't an appeal itself, it's to request an appeal.

asking for an appeal isn't asking for a tribunal to be held, they aren't going to hold FFXIV court. it simply says "hey, other GMs. do you agree with this first GMs decision y/n".

if they live in europe or play in a server located in europe they can request what data they have on the user but throughout the thread they have refused to even acknowledge this as an option which leads me to believe they know exactly what they did wrong and just don't want to admit it.

lmao thanks for enlightening me i thought the OP would have to go through SE justice system and hire a defense attorney to fight the grief tactic allegation!

i mean if they don't live in EU they're SOL then, and I've heard that even in EU it's harder said than done to collect data that way, but idk about that I live in the US so it doesn't apply to me

anyway idk I believe the OP on not knowing what the griefing report was based on entirely, tbh. out of all the things they've said that appears to be the most consistent statement throughout the thread IIRC, and usually their policy is not to tell you anyways so 100% plausible the OP wouldn't know what exactly what they did was considered griefing, attitude of the OP aside.

[Denji]

lmao thanks for enlightening me i thought the OP would have to go through SE justice system and hire a defense attorney to fight the grief tactic allegation!

i mean if they don't live in EU they're SOL then, and I've heard that even in EU it's harder said than done to collect data that way, but idk about that I live in the US so it doesn't apply to me

anyway idk I believe the OP on not knowing what the griefing report was based on entirely, tbh. out of all the things they've said that appears to be the most consistent statement throughout the thread IIRC, and usually their policy is not to tell you anyways so 100% plausible the OP wouldn't know what exactly what they did was considered griefing, attitude of the OP aside.

ignorance does not absolve you of the responsibility of not treating people like garbage, nor is it an excuse for not following laws or rules. no court in no place on the planet would ever say "well, they didn't know breaking the law was against the law. so we'll just not do anything".

in addition, this isn't a ban. it never was a ban. it was a warning and if they are as innocent as they claim they have 2 other warnings before they would ever be even considered for a free 3 day vacation.

[SturmChurro]

ignorance does not absolve you of the responsibility of not treating people like garbage, nor is it an excuse for not following laws or rules. no court in no place on the planet would ever say "well, they didn't know breaking the law was against the law. so we'll just not do anything".

in addition, this isn't a ban. it never was a ban. it was a warning and if they are as innocent as they claim they have 2 other warnings before they would ever be even considered for a free 3 day vacation.

Exactly how have I treated anybody like garbage? I don't harass anybody. I barely even chat! Why is this still being spread? I am so confused. I did not go out and "grief" anybody. So ridiculous. I don't care if it wasn't a ban, yes it was a slap on the wrist, but this is a blemish on my account, and it won't go away for a long time. It's.. distasteful, and annoys me quite a bit, but there is nothing I can do about it.

[Padudu]

ignorance does not absolve you of the responsibility of not treating people like garbage, nor is it an excuse for not following laws or rules. no court in no place on the planet would ever say "well, they didn't know breaking the law was against the law. so we'll just not do anything".

yeah obviously where did I state that ignorance isn't an excuse?? they should still show you logs or a more defined reason lmao cmon man like even league shows you logs when you've been overly toxic in chat. it's not a secret that SE hands out very vague reports that is up to the offender to figure out, but when you play the game like every day and do duties every single day and then get sanctioned for a report months ago or more recently, ngl I have a crap memory I wouldn't remember wtf I would do to get reported.

in addition, this isn't a ban. it never was a ban. it was a warning and if they are as innocent as they claim they have 2 other warnings before they would ever be even considered for a free 3 day vacation.

yes we all know the OP wasn't banned.

i'm ngl dude i'm not going to defend the OP's actions because they did act pretty abysmal, but you have some weird obsession with chastising the OP lmao like idk about you but I'm not going to like condemn the OP as a bad person because they acted hostile and aggro in a thread lmao, particularly in a thread for where like the last 40 pages they were literally jumped on so ofc anyone would act defensively towards that

i think Sturm gets that you think that they're a terrible person lmao so why do you continue going in here and scolding them? how many times do you want to tell "look inwards OP" lmao like do you want to see them atone for their actions in the thread? like for sure the OP has some personal problems to figure out but you don't have to point it out every single time you post in the thread bro

[Katt_Felista]

I wish SE implemented that grief report for P4S multiple time clearer that harrass you, stalk you in game, and destroy runs 50 times in a row at the very last mechanics in the name of their favorite E celebs and then say when you ask them to own up and finally telling you "But these are not mistakes".

Plus :

The high end content of the game is rotten to extreme degrees by very , very bad people coming from NA servers (but not only) and rmt guilds that profit in a bunch of little networks and organize on discord trolling campaigns in game's Party Finder (savages)

They also harass players when they succeed in getting Big to medium sized house, little "reputation" campaigns around these players, fabricate screenshots of logs, and campaign in groups to get them banned so they loose their freshly acquired houses to their FC once they are banned for a month + by piling on reports on these players. That is how you can see multi wards house owned by the same guildd.

SE does absolutely nothing about this, despite being well aware for 7 years at least. In the contrary, they censor, and moderate posts talking about it.

After they get players owning houses banned to loose them, then they can own and resell them on the internet. Rinse and repeat.

This is where the "real" grief no one wants to talk about really resides.

[LisSquid]

I wish SE implemented that grief report for P4S multiple time clearer that harrass you, stalk you in game, and destroy runs 50 times in a row at the very last mechanics in the name of their favorite E celebs and then say when you ask them to own up and finally telling you "But these are not mistakes".

Glad you're still having a normal one.

[forsakee]

LOL when SE gives warnings for "griefing" but nothing to mentors advertising addons in game/forums.

[Katt_Felista]

LOL when SE gives warnings for "griefing" but nothing to mentors advertising addons in game/forums.

Some "mentors" and Gm's networks are the most corrupt things in this game, it's at the level of Age of Conan of "bribery" and illness of "access" and "laissez faire" dripping down into preferencial FC's and players that benefit from it. I think people don't get the scale of corruption and "in group" preferences / nepotism going on in this game and their "alternative" economics all rounder within it and circling in stratas all through ERP / housing, Gamba, savage, gil making -> going straight into reselling. If you played this game for 8+ years. You just "know", you see it for what it is.

They also do a lot of agressive defense of this on the forums, they are the first to tell you "it doesn't exists" "it's a conspiracy" anyone in game with eyes to see and experience, over the years know it "is". It just "is". not "maybe". it is. Anyone with basic skill keyword google search, find all these "houses" "medium houses" on every servers, sold by these FC and alt characters that belong to some specific groups, like a side "advantage" of their "function".

SE needs to kick this bad apple's nest, but i don't think they'll ever do anything because it also profits the popularity of the game, so... Stuck between two evils.

A good exemple of this real "griefing" in game is how this thread describe how "mentors" acts and reacts very questionnably in game , ruinning even simple dungeon runs, and it applies also to any other level of the game, especially savages.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._with_mentors/

"he/she would invariably rush ahead of the tank, aggro a whole mob, and usually get some people killed at the same time (with the added benefit of acting like a complete ass). "

"So how come literally 100% of the ones I’ve had so far are arguably among the least pleasant players I’ve ever had the displeasure of partying with? I’m kind of wondering if this is supposed to be common knowledge, or if I’m simply completely wrong about them. Please tell me what you think."

Either SE let these groups of organized extremely "bad" Ill intended people intentionally shit up the game to perpetuate some mythos about dungeons and savages being hard (this network of idiots and stalkers / harassers are the only ones making it seem hard) or they vet these groups extremely badly for 8+ years, but you cannot repeat a mistake over and over and over again without being aware of it at some point. not to this extent, it's not possible.

[Anhra]

Squeenix Terms on how Players should behave are way too strict even for MMO standards, it is almost as bad as League of Legends used to be before Tencent bought it (cant say how much it changed since then since i quit way before that happened) with its Tribunal System where Players could ban each other through a majority vote system (you were basically at the mercy of complete strangers, and i dont think i need to tell anyone how much of a "genius" idea this is) and even got rewarded for doing so.

Even if you just get a "slap on the wrist" from Squeenix, guilty or not, the fact that this issue can be used aganist you for any further violation for the next 2-3 Years is pretty much over the top when you consider, that even mere insults among 2 Players can technically get you banned. Player issues among each other, should be resolved by the involving Parties, and not by any GMs. Even 12 Year olds need to learn the hard way that arguing with someone over trivial matters for hours, is at the end just a waste of time and it will end up being a valueable lesson on the long run.

Tl;dr:

[Kaurhz]

Squeenix Terms on how Players should behave are way too strict even for MMO standards, it is almost as bad as League of Legends used to be before Tencent bought it (cant say how much it changed since then since i quit way before that happened) with its Tribunal System where Players could ban each other through a majority vote system (you were basically at the mercy of complete strangers, and i dont think i need to tell anyone how much of a "genius" idea this is) and even got rewarded for doing so.

Even if you just get a "slap on the wrist" from Squeenix, guilty or not, the fact that this issue can be used aganist you for any further violation for the next 2-3 Years is pretty much over the top when you consider, that even mere insults among 2 Players can technically get you banned. Player issues among each other, should be resolved by the involving Parties, and not by any GMs. Even 12 Year olds need to learn the hard way that arguing with someone over trivial matters for hours, is at the end just a waste of time and it will end up being a valueable lesson on the long run.

Tl;dr:

The requisite for issues amongst players being resolved is that they communicate said issues and reach a mutual resolution on the matter. In fact to my knowledge the terms do state that - Even if you're involved in a violation from a communication-based conflict then the matter can be considered resolved if the 2 players reach a mutual resolution through any subsequent communication - and that in instances where this is the case it will not be treated as a violation. So in this regards you're encouraged to exercise a shred of personal responsibility for the conflict and aim to address it.

So yes, player issues can be resolved between each other. However if neither party elects to reach a mutual resolution then that is on the people involved if they think it's fine to act inappropriately without a shred of consequence. If a persons pride or ego gets in the way of them accepting some form of responsibility as to attempt to address the issue pre-emptively before intervention then that is entirely their own fault.