Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[Padudu]

the appeal isn't an appeal itself, it's to request an appeal.

asking for an appeal isn't asking for a tribunal to be held, they aren't going to hold FFXIV court. it simply says "hey, other GMs. do you agree with this first GMs decision y/n".

if they live in europe or play in a server located in europe they can request what data they have on the user but throughout the thread they have refused to even acknowledge this as an option which leads me to believe they know exactly what they did wrong and just don't want to admit it.

lmao thanks for enlightening me i thought the OP would have to go through SE justice system and hire a defense attorney to fight the grief tactic allegation!

i mean if they don't live in EU they're SOL then, and I've heard that even in EU it's harder said than done to collect data that way, but idk about that I live in the US so it doesn't apply to me

anyway idk I believe the OP on not knowing what the griefing report was based on entirely, tbh. out of all the things they've said that appears to be the most consistent statement throughout the thread IIRC, and usually their policy is not to tell you anyways so 100% plausible the OP wouldn't know what exactly what they did was considered griefing, attitude of the OP aside.

[Denji]

lmao thanks for enlightening me i thought the OP would have to go through SE justice system and hire a defense attorney to fight the grief tactic allegation!

i mean if they don't live in EU they're SOL then, and I've heard that even in EU it's harder said than done to collect data that way, but idk about that I live in the US so it doesn't apply to me

anyway idk I believe the OP on not knowing what the griefing report was based on entirely, tbh. out of all the things they've said that appears to be the most consistent statement throughout the thread IIRC, and usually their policy is not to tell you anyways so 100% plausible the OP wouldn't know what exactly what they did was considered griefing, attitude of the OP aside.

ignorance does not absolve you of the responsibility of not treating people like garbage, nor is it an excuse for not following laws or rules. no court in no place on the planet would ever say "well, they didn't know breaking the law was against the law. so we'll just not do anything".

in addition, this isn't a ban. it never was a ban. it was a warning and if they are as innocent as they claim they have 2 other warnings before they would ever be even considered for a free 3 day vacation.

[SturmChurro]

ignorance does not absolve you of the responsibility of not treating people like garbage, nor is it an excuse for not following laws or rules. no court in no place on the planet would ever say "well, they didn't know breaking the law was against the law. so we'll just not do anything".

in addition, this isn't a ban. it never was a ban. it was a warning and if they are as innocent as they claim they have 2 other warnings before they would ever be even considered for a free 3 day vacation.

Exactly how have I treated anybody like garbage? I don't harass anybody. I barely even chat! Why is this still being spread? I am so confused. I did not go out and "grief" anybody. So ridiculous. I don't care if it wasn't a ban, yes it was a slap on the wrist, but this is a blemish on my account, and it won't go away for a long time. It's.. distasteful, and annoys me quite a bit, but there is nothing I can do about it.

[Padudu]

ignorance does not absolve you of the responsibility of not treating people like garbage, nor is it an excuse for not following laws or rules. no court in no place on the planet would ever say "well, they didn't know breaking the law was against the law. so we'll just not do anything".

yeah obviously where did I state that ignorance isn't an excuse?? they should still show you logs or a more defined reason lmao cmon man like even league shows you logs when you've been overly toxic in chat. it's not a secret that SE hands out very vague reports that is up to the offender to figure out, but when you play the game like every day and do duties every single day and then get sanctioned for a report months ago or more recently, ngl I have a crap memory I wouldn't remember wtf I would do to get reported.

in addition, this isn't a ban. it never was a ban. it was a warning and if they are as innocent as they claim they have 2 other warnings before they would ever be even considered for a free 3 day vacation.

yes we all know the OP wasn't banned.

i'm ngl dude i'm not going to defend the OP's actions because they did act pretty abysmal, but you have some weird obsession with chastising the OP lmao like idk about you but I'm not going to like condemn the OP as a bad person because they acted hostile and aggro in a thread lmao, particularly in a thread for where like the last 40 pages they were literally jumped on so ofc anyone would act defensively towards that

i think Sturm gets that you think that they're a terrible person lmao so why do you continue going in here and scolding them? how many times do you want to tell "look inwards OP" lmao like do you want to see them atone for their actions in the thread? like for sure the OP has some personal problems to figure out but you don't have to point it out every single time you post in the thread bro

[SturmChurro]

like for sure the OP has some personal problems to figure out but you don't have to point it out every single time you post in the thread bro

I have personal problems? Yet, I still am not going around and reporting people in-game for stupid reasons that I will forget about in the next roulette. I think it takes a special kind of person to put someone's account at risk for a difference of gameplay or something. I can AT LEAST understand people reporting others for actual harassment, stalking, and that sort of stuff, but this is just laughably ridiculous.

I have done thousands and thousands of runs over the years, hundreds of runs since EW - one run blends in with another. Like I've said before, I don't even post the vast majority of my runs in the vent thread. I have no way of knowing what was the problem here.

[Padudu]

I have personal problems? Yet, I still am not going around and reporting people in-game for stupid reasons that I will forget about in the next roulette. I think it takes a special kind of person to put someone's account at risk for a difference of gameplay or something. I can AT LEAST understand people reporting others for actual harassment, stalking, and that sort of stuff, but this is just laughably ridiculous.

I have done thousands and thousands of runs over the years, hundreds of runs since EW - one run blends in with another. Like I've said before, I don't even post the vast majority of my runs in the vent thread. I have no way of knowing what was the problem here.

honestly I'm just going off by the posts in the thread and particularly some deleted ones, I realize after reading back it was that was a bit too much/accusatory so apologies. that's for u to ultimately decide and im just gonna leave it like that

and ya like I said, I don't really think you're a bad person lmao there's plenty of times when I've seen you be pleasant and cordial it's stupid that you don't get detailed reasoning

[SturmChurro]

honestly I'm just going off by the posts in the thread and particularly some deleted ones, I realize after reading back it was that was a bit too much/accusatory so apologies. that's for u to ultimately decide and im just gonna leave it like that

and ya like I said, I don't really think you're a bad person lmao there's plenty of times when I've seen you be pleasant and cordial it's stupid that you don't get detailed reasoning

When I made the thread, I had just been hit by this warning - my first ever. So I was confused, annoyed, etc. I was venting. I have already been banned twice on the forums for seriously dumb stuff - the forums actually show you what you did. So, generally, I am pretty apprehensive with the forum community. Plus, I have a laid back posting style, and I can be sarcastic and hyperbolic here. If this place had more, higher quality, emojis I would use them. I used to use gifs a lot more often, and stuff, but people didn't (don't) really like that.. I digress. It's the forums, I am posting to kill time, have fun, and talk about a game I like. The funny thing is I have mellowed out quite a bit. I just especially do not like the report happy mentality that has been fostered here.

This doesn't mean that I cannot be polite, pleasant and cordial, and, in fact, I have typically gotten the opposite reaction when I interact with people in-game. I apologize when I think I have made a mistake, heck I remember when I was doing one of the new EW leveling dungeons (when it first came out), it took me a few tries to get a mechanic, and I couldn't stop apologizing for bringing the team down. I didn't go and blame others for my mistake. When I play the game, I try to optimize my play to a moderate degree, so that I am not a hindrance to my group - this means doing damage, while also trying to heal. Apparently, not a very welcome playstyle.