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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    While I agree, I can understand why they don't as it adds a huge layer of busywork for the GMs and puts it firmly on them to sort out. Often it's very easy to reflect oneself, read the ToS and see "Ohhh I see that's what I did", then never need to file in the first place.

    In my case I mocked a troll on the forum and got a 10 day ban for it. (Bravo to you, space-bunny-alien-fairy-person; you baited me and got me). Didn't realize that was what it was but I could figure it out in about 20-30 minutes of digging.
    Except that it is a GMs job to sort out problems. So I have no sympathy on the busywork front.

    In your example you were able to sort out what you did. That is great. For many that won't be true. Perhaps they just do not see the behavior as offensive or maybe they just don't interpret a rule the same way as SE intended it. For the latter see the huge threads when the new examples of actionable behavior were put out not long ago. Individual interpretations of those example were widely varied to the point where some people had diametrically opposing views on what they meant.

    If the GM is doing their job properly and looking in to the problem incident to make a fair judgement it would not add "busywork" to allow them to give a statement of what the infraction was without identifying a specific incident or person. Simply saying "griefing" is far too general.

    EDIT: I actually rather suspect this is a policy dictated by SE's legal team to cover themselves vs laws varying in multiple countries. In which case it is unlikely to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    Except that it is a GMs job to sort out problems. So I have no sympathy on the busywork front.
    I respectfully disagree; I feel it's their job to "maintain the peace" as it were and to adjudicate/execute the "law". While I do agree they could tell you once a report is filed, I don't think they should need to lead with a detailed report on what you did beyond what specific ToS line you broke.

    Again, agree to disagree, and that's ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    I respectfully disagree; I feel it's their job to "maintain the peace" as it were and to adjudicate/execute the "law". While I do agree they could tell you once a report is filed, I don't think they should need to lead with a detailed report on what you did beyond what specific ToS line you broke.

    Again, agree to disagree, and that's ok.
    1st I believe the GM needs to do the research to be able to "maintain the peace" or adjudicate something properly.

    2nd they do not have to give a detailed report. They do in my opinion need to give a bit more than "griefing." For example a general statement such as "a pattern of not healing your party" that would not single anyone out as the reporter and give the player enough to know what to work on in thier own behavior.
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