Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[Krotoan]

I'd rather quit the game entirely than conform to some whiners idea of how I "should" be playing the game. I couldn't care less about them, or their opinions. They should respect others, and learn how to actually play the game.

Can you see how this could also apply to you from someone elses perspective?

I'm tired of it. I shouldn't be forced to coddle players, or be shackled inside an instance when there is a leaver penalty. If there is a leaver penalty that IS the punishment. If they are going to start imposing warnings or strikes on a player's account over leaving, then they need to remove the leaver penalty.

There are a lot of cases in which a punishment is immediate but also cumulative. Immediate consequences are necessary to alleviate frivolous infractions and further consequences for those who are serial abusers. Like a speeding ticket. Every single one of them has a fine, but if you rack up enough of them you lose your license. If you remove the initial punishment you'll just move straight up to the big whammy and people will act like they didn't realize it was bad to do what they were doing cause "nobody said anything".

What community managers are we talking about here? I wasn't aware we even had any. This is a vent thread, that's all.

They'd be the only ones who work for or possibly have ANY way of forum posts getting to actual people who could do something about a company policy or implementation. If you're just here to vent then nevermind the reference.

I am incredibly annoyed at receiving a warning for something I didn't do. It's ridiculous that a person's account that they have spent considerable amounts of money on can be in jeopardy over a playstyle. I do take any report against me due to some temper tantrum someone threw as a personal attack. Reporting someone is done with the intention of getting a player banned, and I do not take that well.

Generally people report others because they don't want to encounter that behavior anymore. When it aligns with a rule or policy the GMs enforce, then you get punished.

I hope your appeal goes through successfully since you seem so very distraught about this warning, but I also hope you might change something about your behavior after this potential learning opportunity to save yourself from a repeat. I don't have a lot of confidence in that last one, but there's always hope.

[SturmChurro]

Can you see how this could also apply to you from someone elses perspective?



There are a lot of cases in which a punishment is immediate but also cumulative. Immediate consequences are necessary to alleviate frivolous infractions and further consequences for those who are serial abusers. Like a speeding ticket. Every single one of them has a fine, but if you rack up enough of them you lose your license. If you remove the initial punishment you'll just move straight up to the big whammy and people will act like they didn't realize it was bad to do what they were doing cause "nobody said anything".





They'd be the only ones who work for or possibly have ANY way of forum posts getting to actual people who could do something about a company policy or implementation. If you're just here to vent then nevermind the reference.




Generally people report others because they don't want to encounter that behavior anymore. When it aligns with a rule or policy the GMs enforce, then you get punished.

I hope your appeal goes through successfully since you seem so very distraught about this warning, but I also hope you might change something about your behavior after this potential learning opportunity to save yourself from a repeat. I don't have a lot of confidence in that last one, but there's always hope.

No, they are objectively playing wrong. That's literally the difference. If a full group of these sort of players joins a duty, the duty often times cannot be completed. Why? Again, they are playing wrong. This isn't ESO, or whatever where you have hundreds of skills and different builds, there is pretty much an objective way to play this game. SE can claim whatever they want, but "play your own way" doesn't actually exist within the design of this game.

Leaver penalty does get worse the more you leave, as far as I am aware. I do not actually leave enough in a short enough time to attain these penalties, I leave often, but it's sparingly, over weekly periods.

Yes, however, they know how heavy-handed SE can be when it comes to punishments. Many gain satisfaction in knowing they may have gotten somebody banned, because obviously whatever they did was in the wrong! No,I will not change anything about my behaviour. I didn't do anything wrong. Nor is my playstyle wrong. I have played this way for five years, somebody got lucky with some strongly worded hate mail and a sympathetic GM, I assume.

[Krotoan]

No, they are objectively playing wrong. That's literally the difference. If a full group of these sort of players joins a duty, the duty often times cannot be completed. Why? Again, they are playing wrong. This isn't ESO, or whatever where you have hundreds of skills and different builds, there is pretty much an objective way to play this game. SE can claim whatever they want, but play your own way doesn't actually exist with the design of this game.

Leaver penalty does get worse the more you leave, as far as I am aware. I do not actually leave enough in a short enough time to attain these penalties, I leave often, but it's sparingly, over weekly periods.

Yes, however, they know how heavy-handed SE can be when it comes to punishments. Many gain satisfaction in knowing they may have gotten somebody banned, because obviously whatever they did was in the wrong! No,I will not change anything about my behaviour. I didn't do anything wrong. Nor is my playstyle wrong. I have played this way for five years, somebody got lucky with some strongly worded hate mail and a sympathetic GM, I assume.

Quoting for records and potential learning opportunities for others then.


Best of luck.

[AbysmalDuck]

Honestly, reading the responses from you thus far and going back and looking at some responses from a few months ago that I remembered your name from, I can see why this happened and 100% believe you were in the wrong.

[Iscah]

I'd rather quit the game entirely than conform to some whiners idea of how I "should" be playing the game.

Surely this attitude is incompatible with being horrified at receiving a warning?

If you want to "play how you want, or quit" then play how you want until there are enough instances of your wants clashing with other people's that you reach your third strike and "quit".

If you don't want strikes and warnings, play the game in a way that keeps other people happy.

[Arazehl]

What you deem petty was violation enough and against ToS to get you warned. GM's don't draw your name out of fish bowl and decide to flag your account whether right or wrong without legitimate reason. They have their own policy they must go by too. They violate those and they're out of a job.

I certainly don't think players line up to report others for funsies. Maybe a small few do, but not this vast population of players that violators like to think there is. It takes a bit of effort and time to fill in a report and attach any files relevant to the report, then send it in. Such a waste of a day, unless their is good cause.

[Arazehl]

The 30 minute penalty is punishment enough. And unless it was an intentional d/c to avoid doing the dungeon then nothing needs to change. Also, people have been opting for Praetorium since...forever. It didn't suddenly start happening. Can't really fault them much since Castrum gives significantly less exp for the roulette.

Players need to take what the roulette wheel dealt them. Stop causing others all the false starts and down time. To add: No 30 min penalty isn't enough for disruption of gameplay.

[Breakbeat]

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

- William Shakespeare

[Senn]

Yes, I think how I play healer could also be a general issue with players. They see me casting glare constantly and whine about it. They should have never died in the first place. It is not my place to sit here and babysit bad players. If they die it's their fault. If my swiftcast is up, I will raise immediately, if it is not up I will wait until it is to raise. I will not hardcast raise unless it is absolutely necessary, such as raising a tank, or the other healer, perhaps an RDM or something. Aside from that, I will instead glare.

Exactly. They should raise themselves, I see many players just wait for a raise after a boss fight, and I do not raise them. They should respawn and teleport so they don't have a debuff.

That is exactly what I think happened, somebody got mad and reported me, claiming I was griefing.

If enough people are "whining" about how you play like you are claiming, maybe rethink how you prioritize your raises.
It's important to consider things like... is this a new player? Would I be ruining the new player experience by leaving them dead on the floor? Or perhaps it's a player learning a new job. Or a returning player who forgot the mechanics. Be understanding that mistakes can happen even to long time players.

Sometimes people get super unlucky and die twice in a row, so until your next swiftcast is ready, that's like what? 2 minutes dead on the floor? If you're doing simple roulette stuff, I don't see a need to withhold a raise. Doesn't seem like there'd be a lot of crucial moments in easy content like that. Savage/extreme is a different story.

[Vahlnir]

Players need to take what the roulette wheel dealt them. Stop causing others all the false starts and down time. To add: No 30 min penalty isn't enough for disruption of gameplay.

My point still stands. No one should be held hostage in an instance. If they want to stay, they will stay. If they want to leave then they are free to leave. All is as it should be.