Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[SturmChurro]

Yeah but how many times did we look at those posts and go, "REALLY? This is what made someone cry? This was the straw that broke the camels back?"

The community hasn't and won't ever change. It super stinks you have a mark on your account but I guess lets be happy it took this long. This is the EXACT reason I never talk in game and I just leave parties that I don't have fun with. Sneezing is a death sentence if a group doesn't like you. Hope you get it appealed.

Trust me, I still look at my forum infractions and think that. I look at people literally full on cursing in posts, in their OPs, and they don't get any moderator interaction! "Slander", please... SLANDER?! Absolutely ridiculous. It's unbelievable. Like, actually unbelievable the stuff you can get banned for on here.

Yeah, I made a several paragraph appeal for it, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Remember: I don't talk in-game either, and I got a warning! Maybe I have been leaving too many parties lately, to be honest. But like, I don't want to spend 45 minutes in a dungeon, or have no fun because I have to spam cure 2 on a tank who won't use cds. Only thing chatting does is make it less likely.. Sigh.

I'm not convinced this is the entire truth. Unless one has been constantly dropping out repeatedly over a period of many hours, every day for a very extended period of time then maybe, but in the end I refuse to believe that a player would be given an infraction for leaving a dungeon. Ever. We're either missing something here or a GM was accidentally heavy-handed in which case there is a system in place they can use to appeal.

Again, I do not even know if this was what I got an infraction for. I do also leave people dead on the floor often.

But if you d/c and not logout, or remove yourself from a party that is reportable, and it's spelled out that way in the ToS example list. Because if it happens at the beginning of a dungeon they have to wait several minutes to even kick someone, so they might have asked for a GM assistance in-duty and probably retaliated for this.

I dced during a boss fight, and reconnected as they were finishing it. I left and they could refill.

The thing is though, it's entirely possible there was a mis-communication and the other three were friends or familiar with each other. Even if a player doesn't do anything wrong, if multiple people report quickly, then it's sort of an automatic hand out that can then be appealed. Could Sturm have said something? Absolutely. Is it also possible that they were just being petty? Definitely. Appealing it will be the only way to see if the actions done and words spoke were, in fact, 'innocent'. And if they were, keep in mind false reporting can get one in trouble too.

Maybe, you'd think they could get a replacement tank pretty quick though. I guess I should have said something, huh? I should have lied and said my dog died or something, make up some sob story. Speaking on that, you want commendations? Make up some sob story.

OK, so first, calm down, don't do anything worse like "turning into a monster"

Can't I ever be hyperbolic on here?

[SenorPatty]

Only when you're joking around.

[Senn]

Can't say I'm surprised.

This really doesn't paint you in a very good light. If you can react this way to GM procedure I have no difficulty believing you would react the same way to someone in game.

Have you seen their post history in my male viera thread? I can totally believe this. lol

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The more I read the more I grow closer into believing it’s somebody with intense snowflake syndrome reporting you and boom, your luck has run out for the moment.

Sorry to hear this happening to you, I hope your appeal will be a smooth sailing. These horror stories are the sole reason I talk so much only in close friends linkshells and discord VCs while keeping it tame & low as possible in everywhere else!

[kaynide]

Yes, I think how I play healer could also be a general issue with players. They see me casting glare constantly and whine about it. They should have never died in the first place. It is not my place to sit here and babysit bad players. If they die it's their fault. If my swiftcast is up, I will raise immediately, if it is not up I will wait until it is to raise. I will not hardcast raise unless it is absolutely necessary, such as raising a tank, or the other healer, perhaps an RDM or something. Aside from that, I will instead glare.

I can see how players could get upset here. As healer, your primary job should be to keep people alive, regardless of how dumb they are playing…to the best of your abilities to do so. If people are dropping and you are using glare instead of regen etc, that can be seen as willfully neglecting to do your role.

I’m not saying “keep everyone 100% full 100% of the time”, I’m saying “just keep people from dying, even if just barely”.

I’ve had my wife (who is infamously bad at the game) get upset when trying to do copies factory her first time. She died once and the healer just gave up on her. She got raised by a summoner and the healer straight up refused to heal her as she made dumb rookie mistakes the rest of the entire raid. Nothing ridiculous..but stuff like not knowing what to do the first time a mechanic is introduced. She died a lot, and most if not all of it would have been entirely preventable by tossing the occasional regen at her.

My wife is a better person than me, because I would have reported that. She just got upset and quit playing for the night.

Again, hope your appeal goes well, but at the same time if it doesn’t take time to reflect that your actions might deserve said blemish.

Again, I don’t know the details of your case specifically.

[Denji]

Again, I do not even know if this was what I got an infraction for. I do also leave people dead on the floor often.

That's not the point. If you feel this is in error then you have an option to challenge it and should. I am not saying you have or have not done this, nor am I attempting to place blame. Not telling you what rule was broken is pretty standard procedure because you can use it to retaliate against the person (or in this case, people) who filed it.

You can still play. You're not banned. Challenge the decision and prove them wrong by being the decent player you know you're capable of being.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Can't say I'm surprised.


Have you seen their post history in my male viera thread? I can totally believe this. lol

Senn, Sturm? All we're missing is Theo and we'll have the old bicker team back.


Edit:
Senn, why are you an Elezen anyways???

[Theodric]

All we're missing is Theo and we'll have the old bicker team back.

Mm. I'm still around!

[Krotoan]

Perhaps the constant ditching parties you deem "unfun" as well as your latest actual accidental DC shows a pattern of on purpose/sketchy leaving?

You seem to have a grasp of a lot of the things that COULD have contributed.. the question is will you continue these things knowing they might be part of the case against you?

I don't think you deserve to be banned, or that your warning is warranted since I am not the GM looking into the case nor do I know what they track to "validate" reports....

But if you can think of all these things yet insist on continuing to do them, it's food for thought on who'd be to blame if it progresses further?

Perhaps talking in game is less important or contributory than HOW you play the game?

[LittleChickenNugget]

Unless Sturm was leaving the same group of people over and over again, no one would know what they're up to or how many parties they leave. Most people wouldn't care. In fact, I pray I don't have to be the first person to leave Castrum but I will if I gotta.

Also hi Theo! The gang's all here.