Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[YukikoKurosawa]

I wasn't aware you could be infracted for leaving a dungeon in the middle of a run. Someone could have a legitimate reason to up and drop, stuff happens IRL. I've dropped before mid run more than once for a variety of reasons, but I've never been given a warning for it.

[Denji]

I wasn't aware you could be infracted for leaving a dungeon in the middle of a run. Someone could have a legitimate reason to up and drop, stuff happens IRL. I've dropped before mid run more than once for a variety of reasons, but I've never been given a warning for it.

I'm not convinced this is the entire truth. Unless one has been constantly dropping out repeatedly over a period of many hours, every day for a very extended period of time then maybe, but in the end I refuse to believe that a player would be given an infraction for leaving a dungeon. Ever. We're either missing something here or a GM was accidentally heavy-handed in which case there is a system in place they can use to appeal.

[LittleChickenNugget]

I'm not convinced this is the entire truth. Unless one has been constantly dropping out repeatedly over a period of many hours, every day for a very extended period of time then maybe, but in the end I refuse to believe that a player would be given an infraction for leaving a dungeon. Ever. We're either missing something here or a GM was accidentally heavy-handed in which case there is a system in place they can use to appeal.

The thing is though, it's entirely possible there was a mis-communication and the other three were friends or familiar with each other. Even if a player doesn't do anything wrong, if multiple people report quickly, then it's sort of an automatic hand out that can then be appealed. Could Sturm have said something? Absolutely. Is it also possible that they were just being petty? Definitely. Appealing it will be the only way to see if the actions done and words spoke were, in fact, 'innocent'. And if they were, keep in mind false reporting can get one in trouble too.

[Denji]

The thing is though, it's entirely possible there was a mis-communication and the other three were friends or familiar with each other. Even if a player doesn't do anything wrong, if multiple people report quickly, then it's sort of an automatic hand out that can then be appealed. Could Sturm have said something? Absolutely. Is it also possible that they were just being petty? Definitely. Appealing it will be the only way to see if the actions done and words spoke were, in fact, 'innocent'. And if they were, keep in mind false reporting can get one in trouble too.

If that is true then during the appeal process it will be revealed that one or more of those people in the party abused the report button; in which case I suspect that they themselves will end up with an infraction.

[technole]

The thing is though, it's entirely possible there was a mis-communication and the other three were friends or familiar with each other. Even if a player doesn't do anything wrong, if multiple people report quickly, then it's sort of an automatic hand out that can then be appealed. Could Sturm have said something? Absolutely. Is it also possible that they were just being petty? Definitely. Appealing it will be the only way to see if the actions done and words spoke were, in fact, 'innocent'. And if they were, keep in mind false reporting can get one in trouble too.

You really can't false report because they can see what people type, and actions that are declared. Like the evidence has to be crystal clear to flag someone. Like if you want to report someone being AFK in-duty, they are going to know, not simply because you said so.

[SturmChurro]

Yeah but how many times did we look at those posts and go, "REALLY? This is what made someone cry? This was the straw that broke the camels back?"

The community hasn't and won't ever change. It super stinks you have a mark on your account but I guess lets be happy it took this long. This is the EXACT reason I never talk in game and I just leave parties that I don't have fun with. Sneezing is a death sentence if a group doesn't like you. Hope you get it appealed.

Trust me, I still look at my forum infractions and think that. I look at people literally full on cursing in posts, in their OPs, and they don't get any moderator interaction! "Slander", please... SLANDER?! Absolutely ridiculous. It's unbelievable. Like, actually unbelievable the stuff you can get banned for on here.

Yeah, I made a several paragraph appeal for it, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Remember: I don't talk in-game either, and I got a warning! Maybe I have been leaving too many parties lately, to be honest. But like, I don't want to spend 45 minutes in a dungeon, or have no fun because I have to spam cure 2 on a tank who won't use cds. Only thing chatting does is make it less likely.. Sigh.

I'm not convinced this is the entire truth. Unless one has been constantly dropping out repeatedly over a period of many hours, every day for a very extended period of time then maybe, but in the end I refuse to believe that a player would be given an infraction for leaving a dungeon. Ever. We're either missing something here or a GM was accidentally heavy-handed in which case there is a system in place they can use to appeal.

Again, I do not even know if this was what I got an infraction for. I do also leave people dead on the floor often.

But if you d/c and not logout, or remove yourself from a party that is reportable, and it's spelled out that way in the ToS example list. Because if it happens at the beginning of a dungeon they have to wait several minutes to even kick someone, so they might have asked for a GM assistance in-duty and probably retaliated for this.

I dced during a boss fight, and reconnected as they were finishing it. I left and they could refill.

The thing is though, it's entirely possible there was a mis-communication and the other three were friends or familiar with each other. Even if a player doesn't do anything wrong, if multiple people report quickly, then it's sort of an automatic hand out that can then be appealed. Could Sturm have said something? Absolutely. Is it also possible that they were just being petty? Definitely. Appealing it will be the only way to see if the actions done and words spoke were, in fact, 'innocent'. And if they were, keep in mind false reporting can get one in trouble too.

Maybe, you'd think they could get a replacement tank pretty quick though. I guess I should have said something, huh? I should have lied and said my dog died or something, make up some sob story. Speaking on that, you want commendations? Make up some sob story.

OK, so first, calm down, don't do anything worse like "turning into a monster"

Can't I ever be hyperbolic on here?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The more I read the more I grow closer into believing it’s somebody with intense snowflake syndrome reporting you and boom, your luck has run out for the moment.

Sorry to hear this happening to you, I hope your appeal will be a smooth sailing. These horror stories are the sole reason I talk so much only in close friends linkshells and discord VCs while keeping it tame & low as possible in everywhere else!

[Denji]

Again, I do not even know if this was what I got an infraction for. I do also leave people dead on the floor often.

That's not the point. If you feel this is in error then you have an option to challenge it and should. I am not saying you have or have not done this, nor am I attempting to place blame. Not telling you what rule was broken is pretty standard procedure because you can use it to retaliate against the person (or in this case, people) who filed it.

You can still play. You're not banned. Challenge the decision and prove them wrong by being the decent player you know you're capable of being.

[kaynide]

Obviously I don’t know all the details, so forgive me for playing devils advocate and/or offering criticism here.

You say you drop parties mid dungeon- that is your right to do so for whatever reason via the leave option. The game gives you the 30 min penalty and that should be the end of it. It won’t let you leave during combat, so party should be “safe”. It is a little weird to not excuse yourself, but that’s not breaking any rules.

If you are force DCing however, that might be considered breaking the rules. As a party member, if you suddenly DC mid fight as healer or tank they will likely wipe, then have to wait for the game to either understand you are gone for good, or for the party to decide to kick you and recruit a new member. Huge waste of time for them. Not saying you did this, but if so perhaps some insight on why someone might be upset with you.

As for healing, you said you choose to dps over something like raising. I can see how people will think that “you are the healer and it is your job to keep us alive and do raises”. Someone might have simply reported a “this player refused to do their job as a healer by letting me die, then refused to raise me”.

Moreover, your not talking in party might be seen as cold- it is a simple thing to just say “Ah you died.. no worries- go ahead and raise yourself and catch up”. Even with that I could understand a party member thinking “wtf, why not just swift cast raise me…?”

Again, I wanna stress my ignorance of your circumstances. Take this as just some thought on what might have rubbed people the wrong way, or how they might misunderstand your actions for malevolence.

Good luck with the appeal.

[LittleChickenNugget]

I just witnessed Sturm's villain background. I'm surprised it wasn't happening years ago when we were getting smacked off the forums every other day.