Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[SamSmoot]

I have my tank stance bind close to another key I use for a defensive CD

It's a good idea to make keys like this shifted so a single missed keystroke won't mess things up too much. (I assume you don't normally have to switch tank stance mid instance.. )

[Driavna]

Not knowing what you did, or what you supposedly did, it's such a problem. In particularly when you can get potentially reported by almost everything in this game. At least a hint of what the issue was should be giving to people if you ask me.

Thinking on it, it had to be that dungeon, right? When you DC your character just stands in game for awhile, right? When I went to log in it did say my character was still logged in, and it was during a boss when I lost connection. I was dead when I logged back in. To think, I thought I was doing them a favor by leaving before it happened again so they could get a new tank.. Lol, if that is what got me some warning...

Your char stand there and but will have a DC symbol so others will know what's happening. Also, unless you said something or you go out of your way that no other explanation can be possible, forgetting to turn on your tank stance should not grant you any warning, neither leave a party.

[SturmChurro]

Not knowing what you did, or what you supposedly did, it's such a problem. In particularly when you can get potentially reported by almost everything in this game. At least a hint of what the issue was should be giving to people if you ask me.

The fact that I have zero knowledge of my supposed "intentional" infraction is just proof. I have no idea what the heck is being cited as me "griefing" anybody.

Did you know I haven't played ESO for two years because I got a warning in an email about "spamming"? To their credit, Zenimax actually sent me the proof of my apparent "spam" - which was me, as a group lead, LFM for an open world party that were each 2-3 minutes apart.

[Rowde]

First you said you DC'd, then "forgot to turn Tank Stance back on"
You said the party addressed it in chat
Then you said it happened during the first boss.

There's no scenario where Tank Stance drops there unless you turned it off.

[Canadane]

・Intentional leaving or disconnection
Refers to the act of obstructing another person's gameplay by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.
Key Points
Since the game relies on internet connectivity, it is inevitable that there will be network disconnections or real-life circumstances which prevent you from playing the game. As such, simply disconnecting or remaining inactive in the game will not result in a penalty.

However, if a report is filed, a penalty will be issued if the following types of situations are confirmed to be occurring repeatedly:

Occurs right after entering a duty
Occurs when progress is not going well in a duty
Occurs when the team is about to be defeated in PvP

Even if there was no intention to interfere with others, repeated occurrences can be a nuisance to others. If you are experiencing network instability, or if you are frequently unable to play due to real-world circumstances, be considerate of others by refraining from participating in the duty/content, taking into account that you may unintentionally cause issues for others.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act was confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means.

It may be the unfortunate incident of someone thinking you were trying to bail on them.
And after your DC you appeared to have had some sort of scuffle in chat which you decided to simply leave.
Maybe, and I'm not saying I certainly agree with this possibility, but perhaps the other three thought you were griefing them just due to the happenstance series of events.

[Driavna]

It may be the unfortunate incident of someone thinking you were trying to bail on them.
And after your DC you appeared to have had some sort of scuffle in chat which you decided to simply leave.
Maybe, and I'm not saying I certainly agree with this possibility, but perhaps the other three thought you were griefing them just due to the happenstance series of events.

Will be interesting if that was the case. Pretty much confirm that anyone leaving Castrum as soon as they enter can get suspended if enough people decided to report. Fun times, fun times indeed.

[Vahlnir]

Will be interesting if that was the case. Pretty much confirm that anyone leaving Castrum as soon as they enter can get suspended if enough people decided to report. Fun times, fun times indeed.

That's reaching a bit. Under no circumstance is leaving a party (while online, for that matter) a punishable offense. What happens prior in chat, however, might paint the situation in a different light. Context is key in any situation.

[Driavna]

That's reaching a bit. Under no circumstance is leaving a party (while online, for that matter) a punishable offense. What happens prior in chat, however, might paint the situation in a different light. Context is key in any situation.

Probably means if you DC to avoid 30m timers, if not could be open season but I doubt it.

[Rokke]

It may be the unfortunate incident of someone thinking you were trying to bail on them.
And after your DC you appeared to have had some sort of scuffle in chat which you decided to simply leave.
Maybe, and I'm not saying I certainly agree with this possibility, but perhaps the other three thought you were griefing them just due to the happenstance series of events.

The quoted policy is referring to you closing the entire game or logging out during a duty.

[SturmChurro]

It may be the unfortunate incident of someone thinking you were trying to bail on them.
And after your DC you appeared to have had some sort of scuffle in chat which you decided to simply leave.
Maybe, and I'm not saying I certainly agree with this possibility, but perhaps the other three thought you were griefing them just due to the happenstance series of events.

If this was the instance that got me a warning (just a warning by the way, I didn't receive anything aside from that, so whatever I am accused of doing the GM didn't think was worthy of a ban).

Exactly, from the other players perspective you just bailed on them.

While recently leveling my DPS jobs I often had to wait 20+ minutes when I was direct queueing for the one dungeon relevant to their current level.
So if you were tanking, you potentially had two ppl (the healer probably didn't have to wait as long for queue) waiting just as long for the initial queue into their dungeon run, then having to wait again for a replacement after you left without any explanation. It's usually not instant when waiting for Tank or Healer replacements.

You clearly have a colorful enough vocabulary, writing any reason in chat, even if it's a lie, would have defused the situation.
"I'm not feeling well"
"My PC is acting up"
"My internet is acting up"
w/e

And if you're accidentally turning off tank stance, then probably need to reconsider your button placements...

I am under no obligation to give any player a reason for leaving a dungeon. I received my penalty for leaving, that is the punishment I knowingly took.

Weren’t you one of the “it’s not hard to be civil” people? The “I’ve played for so long and never had an issue” people?

If I’m wrong I apologize. If I’m correct, the irony

I'm the one who has been saying for years to not chat with anybody, because I am paranoid about being banned. I am the one who doesn't use a single curse word, because I am paranoid. I can pull up probably dozens and dozens of posts about me having concerns over the horror stories of people being banned. My obsessive paranoia of being banned is all the proof I need that I would NEVER intentionally "grief" anybody. There is a reason I am having an anxiety attack over this, and it is because I DID NOT DO IT.

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Additional my chat with a GM:



I presume I am allowed to show a GM in a chat log? If not please tell me before I get banned.