Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[Ath192]

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

Sarcasm isn't usually well received by those you do not know and are otherwise not close to unless it is done in a very friendly joking manner.

This user has an attitude in the forums, refuses to perform their job functions when other people mess up because its their fault, vows revenge about becoming a monster and going on a reporting spree. It's not hard to imagine why they would eventually get caught by the GMs even if they behave in the most subtle of manners in game. All I get from them is resentment and anger plus an overall jadedness with the game and its casual playerbase, the one SE is most interested in keeping.

While a healer is supposed to damage in this game it doesn't take priority over keeping the party alive and acting as a backup for when people mess up. In fact, a healer refusing to raise as quickly as possible to keep attacking is a huge net loss on DPS because the dead person, usually a DPS, cannot get any of their more higher power (compared to the healer) GCDs off on the boss Even at 25% damage reduction and probably close to parity at 50%.

The GM answered you and provided a way to appeal the decision in a very curteous and professional manner, but even afterwards you continue to paint the company and everyone else in a bad light compared to you. We are nothing but peons here for your agenda of trying to make the company look bad for something they did that you don't agree with.

It is also pretty clear here your intention isn't to find empathy as much as it is to punish the company with negative PR because they dared to warn you. Just ugh... Go appeal and if that fails, since multiple parties have reviewed it at that point just acknowledge that maybe you slipped up and you are not the blameless paragon you claim to be. SE cleaned up one bad GM for banning people they shouldn't so they have a good record of being impartial when bans are appealed. They are not intentionally out against their own paying customers. I can tell you that.

[SturmChurro]

This user has an attitude in the forums, refuses to perform their job functions when other people mess up because its their fault, vows revenge about becoming a monster and going on a reporting spree. It's not hard to imagine why they would eventually get caught by the GMs even if they behave in the most subtle of manners in game. All I get from them is resentment and anger plus an overall jadedness with the game and its casual playerbase, the one SE is most interested in keeping.

I never stated I refused to do anything. I don't know why people keep saying I did. I even gave context on what I meant with "their fault" earlier, yet still I keep seeing this. It's odd. Oh I don't hide my 'jadedness' with this game and many in it's playerbase, but the funny thing is.. I consider myself a casual player! I do not think "casual" means bad. I don't know why someone has to be 'hardcore' to read what their skills do, or follow mechanics.

We are nothing but peons here for your agenda of trying to make the company look bad for something they did that you don't agree with.

It is also pretty clear here your intention isn't to find empathy as much as it is to punish the company with negative PR because they dared to warn you. Just ugh... Go appeal and if that fails, since multiple parties have reviewed it at that point just acknowledge that maybe you slipped up and you are not the blameless paragon you claim to be. SE cleaned up one bad GM for banning people they shouldn't so they have a good record of being impartial when bans are appealed. They are not intentionally out against their own paying customers. I can tell you that.

Excuse me, what?! This is a vent thread. Literally. Oh.my.God. ??????????????????

I think(?) the monster quote was nuked and since I had that quoted, it unfortunately deleted my post as well kek.

No way! Are you serious?! Someone reported my ridiculous post and the mods deleted it? Oh, the irony. Lol.

[kaynide]

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

I mean, they might not actually be reporting you out of spite- which is what a large chunk of us are trying to tell you. Certain things you have claimed to do are specifically AGAINST the ToS. I have bolded some of it for your reference.

Your stance has been "I have done nothing wrong" and really should be "If I did something wrong, I will try to not do those things from now on".

It's really not hard to look up the ToS and specifically see what could be the problem.

ToS:
(link: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1)

Intentional leaving or disconnection:
(This is a little bit more open, since it's not clear if it only applies to actual DC or just leaving the instance.)

Refers to the act of obstructing another person's gameplay by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.
Key Points
Since the game relies on internet connectivity, it is inevitable that there will be network disconnections or real-life circumstances which prevent you from playing the game. As such, simply disconnecting or remaining inactive in the game will not result in a penalty.

However, if a report is filed, a penalty will be issued if the following types of situations are confirmed to be occurring repeatedly:

Occurs right after entering a duty
Occurs when progress is not going well in a duty
Occurs when the team is about to be defeated in PvP

Even if there was no intention to interfere with others, repeated occurrences can be a nuisance to others. If you are experiencing network instability, or if you are frequently unable to play due to real-world circumstances, be considerate of others by refraining from participating in the duty/content, taking into account that you may unintentionally cause issues for others.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act was confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means.

Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior:
(Not healing, and by extension raising, another player because you don't like their getting hurt/dying)

Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well.
Key Points
Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately.

For example, the following types of situations fall under the act of giving an advantage to the enemy (or the opposing team/players in PvP content):

"I don't want to heal because there is a player I don't like in the group."
"I don't think we can clear this anyway, so I'll just get hit by the enemy attack and go AFK after I'm knocked out."
"I'm going to join the opposing team as a healer and do nothing so my friends on the other team can win the PvP content."

If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act has been confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means.

Note they've made it clear this list is non-exhaustive, and that the things you are doing skirt very close to the above listed.

Again, as I've said, I hope your attempts to get closure on this go well, but please do accept there is a very strong possibility your warning was well earned.

[SturmChurro]

That is called an example of something that would constitute as a violation that someone might otherwise consider themselves just playing the game. Arguably with both the report and the action carried out on your account it was fairly agreed upon that what you have done did constitute as an account violation. See, amongst all the things you could have done to vent you insisted that you've done nothing wrong, then gone on to say "Well how I behave on here isn't necessarily how I present myself in-game" All the way up to "People just don't like how I word things"

I might have actually been inclined to join your little venting crusade if it were underpinned by the reasoning that you don't think it is justifiable that they can sanction you without giving you an avenue formally at the same time where you can try and dispute the decision, or an avenue with which to see the logs associated with the decision making, of which there is (DSAR). Instead of being insistent that you were innocent and that the community are just babies that like being coddled through everything. Inarguably you're more upset and have put more effort into this vent than the person did in actually reporting you.

I'm glad you liked the rationalisation of it. Because it's true. If you breach the ToS it shows an unwillingness to act appropriately and thus someone reporting you is doing a civil service by ensuring that you're deterred from repeating the mistake (That is if you reflect on your own actions) - P.S I saw that little ninja edit. In response to saying you'll use it as justification whenever you report someone. To that end I wish you all the best in your endeavours of fighting the good fight and doing the selfsame thing that you bashed people for in your original post.

I am innocent. I haven't participated in 'grief tactics'. I complain about it constantly on here. Literally. I have gotten in arguments on here over what I think is griefing: the improper usage of rescue, RDM LB3 blinding players during mechanic heavy moments, etc.. The reason I vehemently defend my innocence is because, again, I did not do it. How I play the game isn't me "griefing", and I never stated that I outright am refusing to raise or heal people either, yet it seems to be a common accusation levied at me here.

I have barely put any effort in this vent. I have been posting now while queuing for my weekly raids, and eating breakfast. Yesterday, I think I only posted once in the morning.

I "ninja edit" just about every single thing I post, doesn't even matter what it was. I have talked about it before in other threads, people shouldn't think much on it.

I mean, they might not actually be reporting you out of spite- which is what a large chunk of us are trying to tell you..

I simply do not believe that in the vast majority of circumstances someone is reporting another out of some sort of sense of 'duty'. It's laughably ridiculous to think about. No, it's out of spite. If someone feels the need to report another for leaving a leveling dungeon, that is incredibly petty, in my opinion.

(Not healing, and by extension raising, another player because you don't like their getting hurt/dying)

Oh my God... I never said I refuse to heal. Why does this keep getting brought up?!

[Rokke]

It's really not hard to look up the ToS and specifically see what could be the problem.

ToS:
(link: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1)

Intentional leaving or disconnection:
(This is a little bit more open, since it's not clear if it only applies to actual DC or just leaving the instance.)
[HB]
Refers to the act of obstructing another person's gameplay by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.
Key Points
Since the game relies on internet connectivity, it is inevitable that there will be network disconnections or real-life circumstances which prevent you from playing the game. As such, simply disconnecting or remaining inactive in the game will not result in a penalty.

However, if a report is filed, a penalty will be issued if the following types of situations are confirmed to be occurring repeatedly:

Occurs right after entering a duty
Occurs when progress is not going well in a duty
Occurs when the team is about to be defeated in PvP

Even if there was no intention to interfere with others, repeated occurrences can be a nuisance to others. If you are experiencing network instability, or if you are frequently unable to play due to real-world circumstances, be considerate of others by refraining from participating in the duty/content, taking into account that you may unintentionally cause issues for others.

For the 2nd time in this thread: this rule does not refer to leaving an instance or duty by the “leave duty” button. This rule is referring to one going afk or for trying to bypass the lockout timer by closing theme and forcing others to kick you. That is why the rule goes out of its way to mention that disconnects and real life things that might pull you away from your computer/console. ie. If you cannot or do not want to do X, leave when you're not in combat, take your lockout punishment & allow others to find a new member.

[Theodric]

I think it's also worth noting that the FFXIV community is rather prone to subtle and blatant witch hunts. To the point where a poster can state something completely innocent in one thread and then attract the attention of an individual or group of posters who then decide to follow that poster through many other threads in an effort to frustrate and gaslight the individual they are targeting in order to try and rile them up enough to justify a report.

Some may consider that to be a 'conspiracy theory' but as someone who has been sent death threats simply for liking the 'wrong' characters in this game's story, I can promise that it is no exaggeration. I also think that people should not overlook the various Twitter blogs devoted to stalking this very forum for 'wrong think' to be displayed in a way that further encourages harassment of any poster who dares to go against the grain on any issue whatsoever.

I don't doubt that the same mentality is at play within the game itself to at least some degree and I also think that, ultimately, most player 'skirmishes' are over petty issues that really could just be let go and not be worthy of punishment.

It isn't unusual to have people come to the forum every now and then to state that, despite being harassed over many months, their stalkers and abusers are left unfettered - so I humbly think that maybe it'd be best for more egregious breaches of the game's rules to be investigated instead of minor scuffles between players who are frustrated over differing playstyles.

[aveyond-dreams]

As a general rule I *highly* advise to not display one's main character on the forums, and to instead display a lesser used alt in order to protect from in-game harassment. I have no doubt that given my strong opinions on Summoner there are at least a few individuals who would jump at the chance to confront me about it in game, when I'd much rather be focused on crafting/gathering etc when I'm not in instanced battle content. I do not want to deal with it, plain and simple.

(On another note, FFXIV twitter is...quite an experience. Besides more widespread general takes like "X is a cool addition" "agreed" I tend not to engage with users who are there to be negative or to complain about things that aren't particularly pressing issues, like if FFXIV will ever come to xbox or attacking people for liking villains because they have X quality they don't like)

[kaynide]

As a general rule I *highly* advise to not display one's main character on the forums, and to instead display a lesser used alt in order to protect from in-game harassment.

I mean, knock on wood here, but I'm the opposite; I put my main and my alt out there without issue. I may disagree with many on the forums overall, but I don't think I've ever gotten overly petty or argumentative for no reason. If I have nothing to add to a particular thread, even if someone else "got the last word", I just stop responding (like a recent post I had saying I like how WHM works which was apparently the wrong line of thinking in that thread).

I mean, protect yourself by all means, but surely a good way to protect yourself is to just not engage with idiots.

[Lauront]

As a general rule I *highly* advise to not display one's main character on the forums, and to instead display a lesser used alt in order to protect from in-game harassment. I have no doubt that given my strong opinions on Summoner there are at least a few individuals who would jump at the chance to confront me about it in game, when I'd much rather be focused on crafting/gathering etc when I'm not in instanced battle content. I do not want to deal with it, plain and simple.

(On another note, FFXIV twitter is...quite an experience. Besides more widespread general takes like "X is a cool addition" "agreed" I tend not to engage with users who are there to be negative or to complain about things that aren't particularly pressing issues, like if FFXIV will ever come to xbox or attacking people for liking villains because they have X quality they don't like)

Seconded. Plus if like me you're a regular fantasia user, it takes care of that too.

I've not encountered any issues personally, but I don't regret keeping my accounts across various sites separate, especially since I've noticed e.g. on reddit some people get tilted over even the most minor of disagreements. Thankfully both there and on Twitter, blocking works a charm.

[Padudu]

I'm honestly shocked that this thread hasn't been yanked into oblivion yet lol