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    aveyond-dreams's Avatar
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    Fenris Pendragon
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    Usually I never reach the point where I straight up decide to stop healing when I queue as a healer-if I encounter behavior that I deem unreasonable or not appropriate in current-level duties (not using mitigation, failing to recognize when to use aoes vs single target, etc) then my preference is to just say goodbye and leave.
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    Sarnai Orl
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    My favourite heals are the glare machines, that say "I have co-heal for that" and try to out-DPS others. Happened while farming Emerald Weapon back in ShB along with PLD with golden parses that ate half the AoE's.

    Idk If you pick a healer then heal, even if it's a sprout that works as a floor tank or BLM that eats all the aoes. We're not in savage where heal DPS matters so much you can't overheal much.
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    Misutoraru Valkyrie
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    read through all 21 pages, with on input from OP

    My speculation based on what and how OP written. The most likely cause might be not reviving down player when the situation allow. Then I believe there are some exchange of arguments and OP might have use some “emotional” words.

    Could it be the truth, only OP, those report her and might be GM know. However, based on the limited informations/statements we got, I think this is the more likely scenario
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    Sturm Churro
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    Oh no! I can have an attitude on the forums! Woe is me, that must mean that translates in-game!

    No, no. Frankly, people have an attitude with me! They are lucky that I haven't bothered to report them, with what I have endured before via chat.

    By the way, it is hilarious.. I have been attacked for saying "becoming a monster" (OoOoh) by simply saying I would follow the example many in this community make: to report griefers, people cursing, and the like. The people who reported me were doing great work, but if I did the same I am not?
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 02-09-2022 at 09:44 PM.
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    Kaurhz's Avatar
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Oh no! I can have an attitude on the forums! Woe is me, that must mean that translates in-game!

    No, no. Frankly, people have an attitude with me! They are lucky that I haven't bothered to report them, with what I have endured before via chat.

    By the way, it is hilarious.. I have been attacked for saying "becoming a monster" (OoOoh) by simply saying I would follow the example many in this community make: to report griefers, people cursing, and the like. The people who reported me were doing great work, but if I did the same I am not?
    Generally, the trend would remain consistent between mediums of communication. Be it on here, on Reddit, or in-game. Perhaps you just elect to skirt them more.

    The fact remains, you have an attitude on the forums, and another fact remains that you got a warning in-game on your 'perfect record' - Regardless of your own personal feelings to anyone from an outside perspective it is both a potential trend and an unwillingness to act appropriately.

    and no, people have called you a monster because you announced it in quite arguably a very spiteful tone. Heck even this one is very sarcastic and contradictory which just tells me you're eagerly trying to rationalise any course of irrational behaviour you're exhibiting. If you were as innocent as you previously claimed then they clearly won't doing a good job. But now by your own admission they were doing great work. - So I suppose you just aren't that innocent, are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    and no, people have called you a monster because you announced it in quite arguably a very spiteful tone. Heck even this one is very sarcastic and contradictory which just tells me you're eagerly trying to rationalise any course of irrational behaviour you're exhibiting. If you were as innocent as you previously claimed then they clearly won't doing a good job. But now by your own admission they were doing great work. - So I suppose you just aren't that innocent, are you?
    Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.
    The thing is though sarcasm is 100% lost when you make your thread based on your frustrations/anger on being reported for griefing, so what do you want people to think exactly when you post stuff like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    The thing is though sarcasm is 100% lost when you make your thread based on your frustrations/anger on being reported for griefing, so what do you want people to think exactly when you post stuff like that?
    Does anyone seriously think it actually matters what I posted sarcastic or not? I know I am disliked by many, and this is an ample opportunity for anybody who doesn't like me to gloat about how my 'perfect record' was ruined. Exactly how does anyone think I attained a 'perfect record' for so long if any of the baseless accusations that have been made against me were actually true. In over half a decade I have NEVER had a GM interaction.

    This is a vent thread, I never thought I would accomplish anything by posting it, aside from venting. I am just frustrated by the lack of info given on what I supposedly did, and the obsession by many in this community to report for petty reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    No if you deliberately refuse to heal or rez someone, regardless of whether said damage was their own fault or not can be considered griefing.
    Exactly where did I state I "refuse" to raise anybody. I stated I raise people immediately if I have swiftcast, or I wait until it is up to raise. Otherwise, if required, I will hardcast important roles such as the other healer, tanks, or dps who can raise. People just don't like how I word things. Simple as that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    See it is your tone that conveys intent. If someone is reporting you for not adhering to the ToS which they quite clearly did then no it is not a spiteful act, it is someone carrying out a civil service.
    Oh.My.God. I LOVE that justification.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 02-09-2022 at 11:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.
    No if you deliberately refuse to heal or rez someone, regardless of whether said damage was their own fault or not can be considered griefing. But then I suppose we get into this whole neurotic discussion of "But they are doing it tooo!!!" - Part of your responsibility as a healer is to do the best you can to ensure everyone is alive regardless of where the blame falls for the mistake.

    See it is your tone that conveys intent. If someone is reporting you for not adhering to the ToS which they quite clearly did then no it is not a spiteful act, it is someone carrying out a civil service. Arguably you would be too if your tone didn't take a dramatic change from "It doesn't bother me so I won't report it" straight the way over to "Can't beat em, join em; just report everything that constitutes as an infraction regardless of how minor" - At this point I wouldn't even consider it sarcastic but just your attempt at trying to rationalise your behaviour.

    Yes that is a fairly spiteful response. Good luck inferring sarcasm on a digital medium. Especially when the entirety of your thread is already underpinned by a relatively upset/frustrated tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.
    We can't know if they reported out of spite for certain and neither can you. Perhaps they genuinely saw whatever it was as griefing. Perhaps they reported it generally and the GM saw it as griefing. Unless we all become psychic there is no way to know what was going on inside the heads of the others involved in all of this.

    The thing that is really the problem is that because of company policies you were not told what you did wrong so mitigating your behavior going forward is virtually impossible. From your posts in this thread is it apparent (imo) that you have no idea what actually triggered the report. So barring an appeal being successful you not only have no way of getting it fixed you cannot avoid the offensive behavior in the future. That strikes me as setting up players for repeated violations.
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