Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[Risvertasashi]

Don't think it works like you think, ToS violations aren't included. Read this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...for_no_reason/

They already told the OP why he was banned, giving the name of his reporter would violate their privacy and potentially allow him to harass them, defeating the entire point of the reporting system.

They don't necessarily need to give the name of whoever reported the person (If it's in the case notes it might be censorable), but if they don't share information associated with the account, such as penalties issued and any notation they have, they're likely in violation of the GDPR. And law supersedes company policies. That's for lawyers and courts to argue out, however, not us.

Also not applicable if the OP is not an EU citizen; the rest of us just get told to get lost.

[juicybug]

I see tanks forget their tank stance and it is literally no big deal bc we're human and it happens. But to turn off tank stance in a dungeon, you have to manually do it.
so my guess is maybe you clicked it turning it off accidentally then DC'd, wiped the team, then rage quit when they questioned you about it? I feel there is more to it than what is being told. Maybe a small detail you omitted. A report being filed, and it actually going through and a strike being put on your account happened because there must have been some proof that an offense was committed.

[Xtro99]

I see tanks forget their tank stance and it is literally no big deal bc we're human and it happens. But to turn off tank stance in a dungeon, you have to manually do it.
so my guess is maybe you clicked it turning it off accidentally then DC'd, wiped the team, then rage quit when they questioned you about it? I feel there is more to it than what is being told. Maybe a small detail you omitted. A report being filed, and it actually going through and a strike being put on your account happened because there must have been some proof that an offense was committed.

There's always more to these stories, and the way OP conducts himself is pretty telling. What I do agree with is that GMs should always describe the interactions that prompted the warning/ban. In most MMOs it is common procedure to explain exactly the violation you incurred in. Hell, I've seen players like OP get flat out exposed on the forums by GMs with logs in hand.

[Reality23]

I see tanks forget their tank stance and it is literally no big deal bc we're human and it happens. But to turn off tank stance in a dungeon, you have to manually do it.
so my guess is maybe you clicked it turning it off accidentally then DC'd, wiped the team, then rage quit when they questioned you about it? I feel there is more to it than what is being told. Maybe a small detail you omitted. A report being filed, and it actually going through and a strike being put on your account happened because there must have been some proof that an offense was committed.

I have not gotten far enough with the game to try tanking a raid yet, so I don't know the specifics of the mechanics. I will say that I have played a number of MMOs with "stances" and toggles that generally stay on all the time even through logging in and logging out. Sometimes crap happens and stuff you think is activated is not, I can't see a game company actually taking action based on a toggle being off, regardless of how it works, or a raid being wiped. A lot of people are focusing on how that toggle works, but I have to look back at long years of playing and wonder why the company would notice, care, or intervene. If they considered not running the toggle to be griefing, then they would likely just make it so whatever it does a passive feature of the class that activates alongside going into combat mode.

If I had to make an educated guess I'd look at the attitude the OP has towards leaving groups, and saying "meh, I did my 30 minute leaver penalty". I did not see anything written about it here, but I know in some MMOs despite the penalty they tell you flat out that excessively dropping from instances or groups can get you in trouble. Usually though this is more tied towards people wanting to drop from instances early to speed up specific kinds of farming, leading to the game tracking a lot of partial instances "just in case someone theoretically came back". Corporations being sociopathic by their very nature setting their policy based on mechanical realities, rather than how it affects people at the end of the day. I don't know how this works in FF 14 but in theory if they have such a policy, and she's dropped a lot as the laid back attitude about it implies, it's possible she just finally dropped enough instances for some algorithm to catch her. Of course at the same time given the reason why companies usually care from what I've been told, it wouldn't have been a griefing complaint, it would have been specifically for too many drops.

Seems like whatever the truth is it comes down to a player complaint somewhere, and as they said, they won't violate the privacy policy... which is utterly maddening, and something that should be illegal for exactly these reasons.

[nebby00]

I see tanks forget their tank stance and it is literally no big deal bc we're human and it happens. But to turn off tank stance in a dungeon, you have to manually do it.
so my guess is maybe you clicked it turning it off accidentally then DC'd, wiped the team, then rage quit when they questioned you about it? I feel there is more to it than what is being told. Maybe a small detail you omitted. A report being filed, and it actually going through and a strike being put on your account happened because there must have been some proof that an offense was committed.

That is incorrect regarding tank stance. Tank stance gets turned off when you get dc'd, I had that happen plenty of times to me before since my router is crappy. However when that happens, upon my return I say in party chat regardless if I had been speaking or not beforehand (which I typically don't speak beforehand), "sorry, router dc'd me". And I move on from there. The party in this case from what I had read probably perceived the silence from the OP as passive aggressiveness even if that wasn't the case due to the dc, and the fact that getting dc'd turns off your tank stance, they perceived it as griefing especially due to OP leaving automatically afterward which made it worse due to not explaining what happened.

It sucks though, and it's truly unfortunate. Really hope the warning gets appealed for them since this seems to be unjustified.

[JadedPurity]

I am at a literal loss for words right now, because I received a warning DAYS ago now... for "grief" tactics. Excuse me? What? When the HECK did I participate in "grief" tactics, in fact I complain about griefers CONSTANTLY, but I am going to be hit with some warning for something I most certainly did NOT DO. I barely even chat in this game, and now my entire account will have this nasty mark on it, warning me for something I didn't know I did in the first place?!

I haven't logged into the game for like 4 days now, this makes absolutely no sense to me. Is this because I leave many dungeons I get into? Because I don't hardcast raise players? Because I try to focus on DPS uptime while juggling heals? Am I going to have to be paranoid about how I play the game now? Why doesn't my own game experience matter?

UNBELIEVABLE. I literally cannot believe this. I cannot think of a single instance of me doing this. I have yet to speak to a GM, or contact support, but I cannot have this nasty mark on my account for something I never did. Ridiculous. I log in to cap tomes and this is what I am greeted with.

I am sick and tired of many in this community whining about anything and everything, just because they don't get coddled or for some other apparent slight. SO sick of it, but I hadn't been hit by some idiotic warning before on my actual game account. If you want to enforce your TOS so strongly, maybe I will start reporting every single player everywhere who dares utter a curse word - can't beat them, then join them!

I find it hard to believe you considering the fact that you yourself has trolled ppl I know well.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

I like "I did nothing wrong" postings, especially when they come from players like this one.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Ive healed in MMORPG's for about 20 years now. I will never understand those who sign up for the role of healing and then choose to not heal. They say it's not their job to cover for others mistakes...But that is literally a healers job.

[TaleraRistain]

Ive healed in MMORPG's for about 20 years now. I will never understand those who sign up for the role of healing and then choose to not heal. They say it's not their job to cover for others mistakes...But that is literally a healers job.

Same. Almost 8 years as a WHM in this game, various healers in others. We don't have to keep the team 100% full every minute, especially here with how scripted fights are. We just have to support them enough that they aren't stressing about staying alive and can focus on their rotations and mechanics. Everyone is going to mess up sometimes. And you will get that occasional person who swims in the bad. I still heal them. I just may put them at a lower priority in the group for heals over the person who is making the attempt not to deplete my MP bar. But our whole role is about picking people up, dusting off their ouchies, giving them their lollipop, and sending them on their way.

[IDontPetLalas]

Ive healed in MMORPG's for about 20 years now. I will never understand those who sign up for the role of healing and then choose to not heal. They say it's not their job to cover for others mistakes...But that is literally a healers job.

It's part of the healer's job, to a reasonable point, and the "healers who choose not to heal" is very over-exaggerated from what I've seen, aside from very recently the people who recently who are trying out sage. I've really seen more of people assuming that they don't need to use personal mitigation, or just taking avoidable damage.

So what's not usually considered typical to heal through? if someone is standing off in Narnia, or every time the party is standing over HERE they insist on standing over THERE, or even worse is repeatedly standing in aoes, or standing next to the tank and eating TBs (repeatedly), then at a certain point you should be thinking about what you're doing wrong. It's not about punishment someone, or acting like God, it's more about their being rather selfish at that point.

The exception to all of the above is for sprouts or anyone who's new (CS).