Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[YukikoKurosawa]

I've been noticing a trend in Alliance raids of late. If anyone is new and wants to experience the story, they're going to be in for a poor experience as everytime players will pull the final boss without waiting for them to finish cutscene. There's not even a pause to see if anyone is in cutscene, even if it's a healer, players will IMMEDIATELY pull last boss while we may have several people still in cutscene.

Curiously, in all other group content, players will always wait for the person watching a cutscene, without complaint. But alliance raids, I don't know why exactly, but the attitude is completely the opposite. The other night I was doing Puppets Bunker. At the end both healers in my party were new and watching the cutscene (which, for those of us who've done it, know it's a fairly lengthy cutscene). Nobody waited, and by the time they finally joined the fight the boss was already in second phase.

Someone got upset and said we should've waited. Another player just responded "You can press escape to skip cutscenes", as if to suggest nobody would actually want to watch the cutscenes. This led to an argument, but ultimately it was already too late. Now I would argue perhaps this only highlights a flaw of trying to mix story with online group content. I would counter that by arguing you shouldn't play a game you know is story-focused and where there will be people watching cutscenes in group content if you have a problem with it.

Not really sure what could be done about this. When you're queing using the duty finder, you should know that there are people going to be experiencing the story for the first time and be willing to respect that. Why players are able to do this in all other content but not Alliance Raids I don't really understand, but I suspect it's for the same reason people grief so often in Alliance Raids and only Alliance raids (like people who deliberately melt all the ice as a frog on the Amon fight so we wipe). I have no problem waiting for people to finish cutscenes if they're new and from my experience up and till recently has been other players generally don't either, and I was lucky to have groups that waited for me when I did Alliance stories the first time, but lately it seems the average Alliance Raid queuer has completely lost their patience for story-watchers and it's just sad for people who are new and are having to deal with these people.

[aveyond-dreams]

1 person doesn't get to hold up 23 other people in Crystal Tower, same applies for other raids that are years old. You can watch the cutscene and remain invulnerable as long as you do not exit out early, and aren't missing much in later raids because the last actual pre-final boss cutscene is an unskipable transition.

Puppet's Bunker is already a long headache of a raid so I cannot blame anyone who pulls the last boss early, seeing as by that point everyone is desperate to just get out of there.

[YukikoKurosawa]

1 person doesn't get to hold up 23 other people in Crystal Tower, same applies for other raids that are years old. You can watch the cutscene and remain invulnerable as long as you do not exit out early, and aren't missing much in later raids because the last actual pre-final boss cutscene is an unskipable transition.

Puppet's Bunker is already a long headache of a raid so I cannot blame anyone who pulls the last boss early, seeing as by that point everyone is desperate to just get out of there.

I mean you joined the raid knowing there would potentially be people new to it, the game even tells you when someone is new to the duty. If you have a problem with it then don't join pugs and make your own parties of people who already have or don't care. Yeah, the content is years old, but for many people it's brand new. Especially seeing as how we've had a surge of new players lately. Some of you forget not everyone has been here for years. Your problem began the moment you started playing a story-focused game, que'd for pug content knowing full well there would be people who, surprise surprise actually want to experience the story in a story-focused game (shocking I know), then got mad about it. Obviously, as someone who's done it already I prefer to not have to wait for people especially when I don't have a lot of time, and when I get a group full of people who auto-skip and we just do the content it's nice, but I accept the reality that I will sometimes have to wait, and respect the people who are going through the story for the first time.

[AnnRam]

I mean you joined the raid knowing there would potentially be people new to it, the game even tells you when someone is new to the duty. If you have a problem with it then don't join pugs and make your own parties of people who already have or don't care. Yeah, the content is years old, but for many people it's brand new. Especially seeing as how we've had a surge of new players lately. Some of you forget not everyone has been here for years. Your problem began the moment you started playing a story-focused game, que'd for pug content knowing full well there would be people who, surprise surprise actually want to experience the story in a story-focused game (shocking I know), then got mad about it. Obviously, as someone who's done it already I prefer to not have to wait for people especially when I don't have a lot of time, and when I get a group full of people who auto-skip and we just do the content it's nice, but I accept the reality that I will sometimes have to wait, and respect the people who are going through the story for the first time.

Nice I wonder how many pre 24 man raids have you done before to do raid roulettes.

[FrogDog]

I mean you joined the raid knowing there would potentially be people new to it, the game even tells you when someone is new to the duty. If you have a problem with it then don't join pugs and make your own parties of people who already have or don't care. Yeah, the content is years old, but for many people it's brand new. Especially seeing as how we've had a surge of new players lately. Some of you forget not everyone has been here for years. Your problem began the moment you started playing a story-focused game, que'd for pug content knowing full well there would be people who, surprise surprise actually want to experience the story in a story-focused game (shocking I know), then got mad about it. Obviously, as someone who's done it already I prefer to not have to wait for people especially when I don't have a lot of time, and when I get a group full of people who auto-skip and we just do the content it's nice, but I accept the reality that I will sometimes have to wait, and respect the people who are going through the story for the first time.

Alliance Roulette is the reason most alliance raids even happen. Saying, "oh you're doing roulette so you shouldn't expect fast runs" is just dumb.

The bottom line is that people pulling the boss doesn't kick new players out of cutscenes anyway so your entire argument is moot. New people just watch the cutscene and join the battle 10-20 seconds later, usually before any mechanics have even happened. Just get over it.

[Harriks]

Alliance Roulette is the reason most alliance raids even happen. Saying, "oh you're doing roulette so you shouldn't expect fast runs" is just dumb.

The bottom line is that people pulling the boss doesn't kick new players out of cutscenes anyway so your entire argument is moot. New people just watch the cutscene and join the battle 10-20 seconds later, usually before any mechanics have even happened. Just get over it.

You can't wait 20 seconds? Take a second and think about what you just said.

[weebtext]

You can't wait 20 seconds? Take a second and think about what you just said.

Why should people wait?
Hard mode: don't say "b-because it's nice and polite"

[Tyjacon]

1 person doesn't get to hold up 23 other people in Crystal Tower, same applies for other raids that are years old. You can watch the cutscene and remain invulnerable as long as you do not exit out early, and aren't missing much in later raids because the last actual pre-final boss cutscene is an unskipable transition.

Puppet's Bunker is already a long headache of a raid so I cannot blame anyone who pulls the last boss early, seeing as by that point everyone is desperate to just get out of there.

So what you're saying is that it perfectly fine to ruin a first timer's experience by being impatient in a roulette where the purpose is to allow first timers to complete the content, including participating in the combat?
And yes, 1 person does get to hold up the others since you are receiving a bonus for there being a first timer in your raid. That's the trade off, or at least intended to be.
Just selfish IMO.

[VerdeLuck]

1 person doesn't get to hold up 23 other people in Crystal Tower, same applies for other raids that are years old. You can watch the cutscene and remain invulnerable as long as you do not exit out early, and aren't missing much in later raids because the last actual pre-final boss cutscene is an unskipable transition.

Puppet's Bunker is already a long headache of a raid so I cannot blame anyone who pulls the last boss early, seeing as by that point everyone is desperate to just get out of there.

You're already compensated for it with tomes and wondrous tails retries, just wait for them and don't be that guy.

[ForteNightshade]

You're already compensated for it with tomes and wondrous tails retries, just wait for them and don't be that guy.

No you aren't. Unless you mean the bonus poetics for there being first timers. In which case, most veteran players don't have any use for poetics. So it's hardly an incentive. Time wise though, you're ironically punished for getting anything above Void Ark given the higher level raids take significantly longer even without any cut scenes. Hence why the whole naked queuing happens.

Either way, people aren't going to wait outside of the relevant patches this content releases in. While it may sucks, this has been the norm since 24 mans started. Sometimes you'll have people hold off pulling. Other times you won't. Unless Prae, it isn't like watching the cut scene will have you zone into a dead boss. So just enjoy it and pop in afterwards.

More and more WoW refugees and players from other MMOs where speed was the name of the game and they didn't wait for anyone, ever. Or salty veteran players with a hidden grudge against newcomers or that don't remember their own days as sprouts.

My dude, people waited more for the Nier cut scenes than they ever did for Ivalice or Shadow of Mhach, ya know, the two raid series that released long before the big WoW exodus. This has nothing whatsoever to do with an influx of new players but rather long time players simply not caring to wait.