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  1. #871
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    pikalovr's Avatar
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    Pikalovr The-shocking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    Here's one: people that want wow type raids, wow type ability prune, or anything else like wow, go heckin play that instead instead of trying to turn this game into an exact clone.
    so if you want housing that works go play ESO or wildsta... (oh wait) people can like games for different reasons no reason to immediately dismiss them as not liking the whole game. for example asking for something as simple as ducking savage gear being usable for the next tier minimum is too much for these people. A LOGICAL GEARING SYSTEM not even based on any one game just games in general. is too much to ask for people but sure i'll just go play GW2 or another MMO which surpise i have. cause nothings being changed even major issues like housing, or the fact they had a sound issue that would cut out all audio for your entire session on day of launch that took ages to fix etc... but sure everyone should just jump ship instead of suggesting ways to better the game or point out how other games/systems work and are better, cause surprise alot of them are and could be ported over with little to no hassle. even just something like random dungeon encounters/events would add so much to dungeon running but no you can't suggest that just go play GW2.

    and before you go oh but see you swapped to another game. i didn't swap cause i wanted to, i would love to keep playing ffxiv. but i'm not gonna sit here with a sinking ship thats turning into a walking simulator cause we can't even ask people to use 2 damn braincells or even communicate with eachother in a god damn MMO
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  2. #872
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonteCristo View Post
    Endgame is glamour
    absolutely.

    if you meet the minimum ilvl and you know your rotation, you'll be fine as long as the rest of your party knows it, too. even for savage content it's just doing your rotation properly + mechanic checks the entire fight; resulting in a game of memory rather than skill... not to mention the dps increase going from ilvl 595 to 600 being so pathetically minuscule. by time most people get there the next set of equipment'll be out in a few days to weeks, making what they struggled to get until last minute obsolete.

    don't get me wrong, it can still help... but the cases in which it'll help are very very specific since most the time if you or someone else messes up it either results in your insta-death and/or a full wipe which... kind of negates the point of HP or any sort of defense the armour provides but that's another take entirely and savage content being just uninspired DPS checks is a luke-warm take at best.
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    Last edited by Denji; 06-22-2022 at 09:13 AM.

  3. #873
    Player Hurlstone's Avatar
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    I really do not think the games jobs and dungeons are as braindead as some people say.
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  4. #874
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Harun Asubra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    I really do not think the games jobs and dungeons are as braindead as some people say.
    Ever played a healer? Summoner? Red Mage, who sure, grew in complexity, but still maintains simplicity? A tank?

    Some classes really only have optimization to actually care for if you're one of those who wants the absolute highest damage and would plot out every click of a button on a spreadsheet. Past that, the bare minimum tends to be as straightforward as "read your tooltips".
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  5. #875
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    Here's one: people that want wow type raids, wow type ability prune, or anything else like wow, go heckin play that instead instead of trying to turn this game into an exact clone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Payotz View Post
    Buddy I've literally been playing other games just because 14's getting worse and worse ever since ShB, and let me tell you, those other games do a LOT of things better than 14, yes including WoW, the game that everyone in this community has a hate boner:

    WoW job design is better than FF14. The specs are still unique. Blood DK plays totally different from Brewmaster. Disc Priest plays totally different from Holy, and fucking BEASTMASTER (yes WoW has a BST) plays different from Survival Hunter.

    Destiny is literally moving away from their dumbed down system of "3 skill trees" opting for more customizability and build crafting. Bungie has been adding more and more depth to the game ever since Beyond Light. They've even changed their encounter formula from literally "sit in the Well and shoot at the boss while he stands still" to literally "yeah this boss actually will kill you while you shoot at him, so don't sit in the well."

    Fuck, even V-Rising showed how good the housing decoration system can be if people didn't have to rely on glitches and bullshit to do anything.

    Yeah ofc those games have their own weaknesses, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about what FF14 can learn from other games, what the devs can implement into this game.

    And before you say "OH MY GOD THIS IS FF14 NOT WOW OH MY GOD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE". Bud, did you know how your god actually managed to save FF14 from the disaster that is 1.X?

    They literally took the good things from other video games, and used that to improve on the weaknesses of FF14.
    If FF14 didn't learn from other video games, especially from their competition, then 1.X would still be shutdown, 2.X wouldn't exist, and FF14 would still be a laughing stock of a video game.

    Learning lessons from other video games in the market, taking what works and improving upon them and using that to fix holes in your video game is the best way to do things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grann-Goro View Post
    Here I present you the new healer tutorial in FFXIV :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlc-QtQxGys&list=PLvHbKTvfkkvI6D__Pg84M_18NhpPR3ojs

  6. #876
    Player NekoMataMata's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    I really do not think the games jobs and dungeons are as braindead as some people say.
    About time someone said it.

    I mean I don't think it's that black and white of course. There are simple parts to this game within rotations, bosses, dungeons and whatever, but there's also at least a little complexity scattered throughout.
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  7. #877
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    About time someone said it.

    I mean I don't think it's that black and white of course. There are simple parts to this game within rotations, bosses, dungeons and whatever, but there's also at least a little complexity scattered throughout.
    please do explain the complexities of single pulling dungeons not even W2W pulling which is player made challenge a single pack pull explain to me how you can't just complete it by having the healer just heal the tank when he takes damage and the tank just AOeing with tank stance on and DPs just AOeing. or please explain how dungeons can be cleared with 3DPS and one tank and is actually preferred by some people cause it's quicker and somehow easier. or explain to me how fights are so hard that they can be solo cleared by a tank P1N in on release GEAR mind you has been cleared by WAR and then the other tanks started catching up as they got access to augmented tomestone and raid gear. which sure you could use the gear excuse but should a fight really be able to be that easily over come by gear? to the point you don't need 7 other players and it's not even an old raid? explain how a fight is intricate and hard when it doesn't even have the mechanics to need all 8 players even at current gear or hell even in the standard 2/2/4 setup? hell savages are still being solo healed and even solo tanked despite having dualbusters and mechanics like P2s lazer. sure you could sit there and go well they optimized the fight. but how is a fight difficult when they optimize that heavily barely within the first month if not first weeks? do you think being able to WF clear an entire tier in one day is difficult?

    you can sit here and go well players will have difficulty look at P3s it's walling people. yeah and you wanna know what strat is preferred for nados for P3s? elmo which literally drops responsibilities from 4 people. people are so bad that PF would rather put as much responsibility as possible on one/2/3 (you technically need someone baiting north nado thankfully) people than let the entire party learn the mechanic or get punished for not learning it. at this point it's not the fights or kits it's the players not willing to just put an inch of effort in.

    now some jobs do get slightly technical/hard sure but does that mean the rest should get a pass? or that they shouldn't get looked at further? no and no it's like saying well you know what BLM is doing fine right welp time to drop looking at all the other jobs altogether and never touch BLM again til 7.0

    hell i'd even argue BTD6 has more nuance and complexity with it's bosses/races than XIV has with dungeons and normal trials/raids and even some EXs and savages
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    Last edited by pikalovr; 06-22-2022 at 03:56 PM.

  8. #878
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payotz View Post
    Learning lessons from other video games in the market, taking what works and improving upon them and using that to fix holes in your video game is the best way to do things.
    Copying from other games is easy, so it's no wonder everyone does it. Improving upon things after copying requires effort, so it's no wonder almost nobody even attempts it, especially since trying something different doesn't give a 100% chance of success. Gaming industry as a whole is stuck 10-20 years in the past recycling the same stuff ad infinitum.
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  9. #879
    Player Soge01's Avatar
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    As Asahi dragged Amon down further into the depths of the lifestream, I wish Amon would have gotten the final word on him, telling Asahi that Zenos didn't even remember him and to quit crying like a baby over something he could never have in the first place (Zenos' acknowledgement) and cackled his way all the way down until he finally disappeared conpletely.

    Amon may be a genocidal arsehole with an identity issues, but at least Zenos bothered to even remember the the guy existed. xD
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  10. #880
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soge01 View Post
    As Asahi dragged Amon down further into the depths of the lifestream, I wish Amon would have gotten the final word on him, telling Asahi that Zenos didn't even remember him and to quit crying like a baby over something he could never have in the first place (Zenos' acknowledgement) and cackled his way all the way down until he finally disappeared completely.

    Amon may be a genocidal arsehole with an identity issues, but at least Zenos bothered to even remember the the guy existed. xD
    Agreed. Though I do feel that that putdown would've been better coming from Zenos himself really. If Amon, or anyone else, were to tell Ashai that he was irrelevant to Zenos he'd almost definitely refuse to accept it.

    It'd be quite an amusing scenario in my mind, considering how the only person Zenos really considered to be worth his attention was the Warrior of Light.
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