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  1. #441
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    During the events of Ultima Thule I was indifferent to the sacrifices made by the scions except for Estinien-whose absence frustrated me-and the twins because they were the last before our walk to the end. I cared a lot more about the final exit of the ancients, the quality of my time with them vastly eclipses most of my experiences with the scions.

    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Im curious how people think theres still a need for yshtola. What need is that exactly? Because she quite literally contributed nothing to this expansion whatsoever. You could take her out of it and nothing would change.The only thing she did was the ultima thule sequence and even that could technically be done without her.

    Hot take: Yshtola is bland and boring now and seems to only still be around so they can sell their $1000 dolls and merchandise with her since shes eyecandy.
    FFXIV is long overdue for a new postergirl, hopefully one with a little more going on than Y'shtola. The women in FFXIV that I feel the most attachment to are Ysayle and Venat, both of which give off a more elegant and serious vibe than Y'shtola ever has and most importantly-they actually have a personality of their own besides the occasional sassy remark. I suppose Ryne could have also been a postergirl had she remained part of the main cast. Better her than a character who serves no other purpose than fakeouts and lore exposition anyway.
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  2. #442
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    I'm of the idea that character deaths aren't needed for impact, and needless character death is shitty writing. However, I was expecting at least one death, and I'd been expecting it to be one of the major Archons. Not Alphinaud, as he's yet to fulfill his character growth arc (He's almost there, just not quite), AND he represents what the main character in a typical RPG would be. Not Y'shtola, because for all her fakeouts I think there's still a need for her (And she's the marketing face of the game, It'd be like killing Harry Potter and leaving him for dead). Not Thancred, because he still has responsibilities to take care of. Not G'raha, because he's yet to complete his 2nd growth arc. Not Estinien, because his growth has only just begun.

    That left, in my mind, either Urianger or Alisaie, and my bets were on Urianger pulling some sort of big sacrifice so we could do something.

    Seeing all of them "die" left me with this weird hole in my chest. It was sad, and I cried, because I knew that obviously while they were going to live, it had to have been a painful experience. But... The resulting happy ending felt unearned. Everything's fine, I guess? No one's dead, I guess? All the scions are gucci? Well.. okay... It's a happy ending and all but... it felt meh.
    Im curious how people think theres still a need for yshtola. What need is that exactly? Because she quite literally contributed nothing to this expansion whatsoever. You could take her out of it and nothing would change.The only thing she did was the ultima thule sequence and even that could technically be done without her.

    Hot take: Yshtola is bland and boring now and seems to only still be around so they can sell their $1000 dolls and merchandise with her since shes eyecandy.
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  3. #443
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Im curious how people think theres still a need for yshtola. What need is that exactly? Because she quite literally contributed nothing to this expansion whatsoever. You could take her out of it and nothing would change.The only thing she did was the ultima thule sequence and even that could technically be done without her.
    Well Yshtola is the mascot of FFXIV honestly she does not have to anything if she wants could just be there for fanfare alone lol. I guess its one of the things you have to get use to if your not a fan of the character, she has a large fan base and racks in the revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seiori View Post
    Well Yshtola is the mascot of FFXIV honestly she does not have to anything if she wants could just be there for fanfare alone lol. I guess its one of the things you have to get use to if your not a fan of the character, she has a large fan base and racks in the revenue.
    Japanese Waifu is safer than the WoL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Im curious how people think theres still a need for yshtola. What need is that exactly? Because she quite literally contributed nothing to this expansion whatsoever. You could take her out of it and nothing would change.The only thing she did was the ultima thule sequence and even that could technically be done without her.

    Hot take: Yshtola is bland and boring now and seems to only still be around so they can sell their $1000 dolls and merchandise with her since shes eyecandy.
    She fulfills the need for a researcher in the group.. Arguably, this could just be filled by G'raha, however his specialty is in Allagan technologies, and he would ultimately be useless when it comes to other subjects. And while Krile could feasibly fill this role as well, she lacks the strength and magical ability to fight.
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  6. #446
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    She fulfills the need for a researcher in the group.. Arguably, this could just be filled by G'raha, however his specialty is in Allagan technologies, and he would ultimately be useless when it comes to other subjects. And while Krile could feasibly fill this role as well, she lacks the strength and magical ability to fight.
    Except in this expansion when we needed a researcher it was urianger graha and krile who actually found things, all yshtola did was read books lol
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    Zenos is a bad villain and his inclusion in EW added absolutely nothing to the overall plot.
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  8. #448
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Except in this expansion when we needed a researcher it was urianger graha and krile who actually found things, all yshtola did was read books lol
    Except, and hear me out on this: There are always expansions where certain characters take a backseat for other characters to have their growth and development arcs. Y'shtola, as one of many main characters, does not need to always 100% of the time fulfill all the needs as required by her role.

    If you've ever read stories with revolving "Points of View", you'll understand what I'm talking about.

    Perfect example of this would be Rick Riordan's "The Kane Chronicles." Of the two main characters, one fulfills the role of the researcher and the other fulfills the role of the fighter. However, given that they are fleshed out characters able to both do and "not-do" things related to their specific character, there are times where one main character may not 100% fulfill all needs as required by his role, and the other may need to step up and fill that herself. There are also points where one main character is absent for quite a while, but this does not mean they are not needed in the end.
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  9. #449
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    Nanamo's death and a lot of HW's plot involving it was rewritten because fans were upset that they killed Nanamo off. It is fairly apparent in the plot and the devs even talked about how they had changed it due to fan feedback.
    Citation needed.
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    My hot take: The WoL deserves voice acting. I know their excuse is that they want the player to be able to self-insert but the WoL probably has the least personal agency in the story. You don't get to make any choices -- when someone tells you to do something, your choice is either "Yes" or "Yes" but with a little bit of sass. Even the choices that say "No" have your character making a joke and the Scions going "Oh that WoL, what a prankster. Now get over there and sniff that chocobo" or something to that effect. I think that culminated the most at the end of the game where Zenos calls you out saying that you're someone who seeks higher challenges and who wants to challenge themselves more and more and your character really not being able to deny these accusations and agreeing to fight him. For quite a few people (myself included) I would have elected to just leave him there and not give him the fight he wanted so badly, because Zenos is a bad dude and he shouldn't get what he wants.
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