Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

[YukikoKurosawa]

By your logic, then every new game ever released is a bad game because they all drop in popularity after launch but go on with lying with statistics I do love this game!

A 97% drop in only a few months of an MMO is pretty freaking bad I don't know what brand of copium you're inhaling to think otherwise. Do you want to explain why FFXIV, despite never having a large twitch audience, is significantly more popular and has only increased in popularity despite a tanking in Twitch viewership?

[YukikoKurosawa]

It tells me some people actually touch grass. Fascinating I know!!!

I'm guessing you're excited for Amazon's re-releasing of a years-old pay-to-win Korean grindfest because you're favorite streamer who is being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Bezos to tell you to go buy it just like they did with New World which they pumped and dumped in a month. I'm sure the exact same thing wont happen again.

POGGERS amirite?

[Nav_Fae]

A 97% drop in only a few months of an MMO is pretty freaking bad I don't know what brand of copium you're inhaling to think otherwise. Do you want to explain why FFXIV, despite never having a large twitch audience, is significantly more popular and has only increased in popularity despite a tanking in Twitch viewership?

FFXIV has been and always will do fine. I don't know what kind of strawman argument you're trying to entrap me into but the current twitch popularity is definitely telling me the game is A-Okay!

[YukikoKurosawa]

Any time anyone brings up any character in the game around here, it kicks off a multi-page thread of people complaining about them, and I just think of this.

LYSE AMIRITE? DOESN'T LYSE JUST SUCK? CAN I GET AN UPVOTE BROS?

[Seera1024]

97% LOL Bruh, if the number dropped that much, I wouldn't be able to queue for any roulettes what kind of phony bologna numbers are you making up here? The game isn't dead and it's not at any risk of dying. What kind of misinformation are you trying to convince people of? This is hilarious?! LOL

You people act as if Covid still isn't a thing or something along with several recessions. But seriously go on more with your game philosophy stuff and tell me how that worked out for your precious WoW. This stuff is comedy gold honestly.

Just because a large percentage of players dropped off doesn't mean content is completely undoable.

1 billion players is also 3% of a larger number.

1 million players is 3% of a larger number.

3 players is 3% of a larger number.

You can still have a playable game if those 1 million players all play in roughly the same time period.

The % in the drop off in the given time frame along with the drop in twitch viewership doesn't make the game look good. It means there may be some design philosophies in New World that weren't such good choices.

[Nav_Fae]

Just because a large percentage of players dropped off doesn't mean content is completely undoable.

1 billion players is also 3% of a larger number.

1 million players is 3% of a larger number.

3 players is 3% of a larger number.

You can still have a playable game if those 1 million players all play in roughly the same time period.

The % in the drop off in the given time frame along with the drop in twitch viewership doesn't make the game look good. It means there may be some design philosophies in New World that weren't such good choices.

Well FFXIV's design philosophies are fine. It's in no danger.

EDIT: I seem to have hit my post limit for the day. Have a goodnight ya'll was a good chat o7

[IdowhatIwant]

By your logic, then every new game ever released is a bad game because they all drop in popularity after launch but go on with lying with statistics I do love this game!

You created a conclusion that no one directly made. The surge of popularity in FFXIV is due to social media. The game loosing most of its population through out an expansion because of bad game philosophy.

This bad game philosophy is pretty much the copy pasted patches we get with less content than we ever had gotten before. Dungeons being copy pasted products of 2 pulls and a boss x3. This repetitive content does not hold players interest for a full patch in most cases let a lone a full expansion. Now Yoshi P can say that he is respecting players time, but thats not exactly true. Respecting a players time would give us options of content to do for the same result, not run one dungeon 5x a week to get 450 tome stones to progress your gear. In Yoshi P's case they say they are respecting our time and that we should take breaks because they just do not make enough content to maintain player retention not because they respect our time with the content produced.

97% LOL Bruh, if the number dropped that much, I wouldn't be able to queue for any roulettes what kind of phony bologna numbers are you making up here? The game isn't dead and it's not at any risk of dying. What kind of misinformation are you trying to convince people of? This is hilarious?! LOL

You people act as if Covid still isn't a thing or something along with several recessions. But seriously go on more with your game philosophy stuff and tell me how that worked out for your precious WoW. This stuff is comedy gold honestly.

They were referring to New World with the 97% drop. Also covid is not an excuse, it is only used when some one can't make an actual argument as these issues existed before the covid outbreak. This game has been cutting content, and corners before the covid outbreak. Covid outbreak is not going to affect the design philosophy of the game when the game has continued to follow it's same formula that is has been using before covid. Maybe they could say they have not changed the patch formula because of covid, but they would have to first state that they wanted to change that to begin with, which they have not done.

[Seera1024]

Well FFXIV's design philosophies are fine.

That may be, but it's not the reason the large viewership streamers are playing the game.

Large viewership streamers are playing the game because that's where the views and therefore the money is.

Those large viewership streamers started looking for new games to play because they were getting bored with their previous game or their previous game fell into a bad scandal and they needed a new game to play while the scandal blew over or not or some combination of reasons either mentioned or not. They stuck with streaming FFXIV because they got tons of views for it. If the views hadn't been there it would not have been a main focus of their streams if they even streamed it, though they may have continued to play the game off stream.

[Reality23]

Oh really? Remember New World? Several hundreds of thousands of viewers on Twitch, roughly 1 million concurrent players online at the same time. What happened to that game?

Oh right :

https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730

39k players, all time peak 900k. Currently 1.7k viewers on Twitch. LOL. Clearly despite being so popular on Twitch at one point it never managed to break 1 million players (which FFXIV already has despite historically having very little Twitch viewership, at it's peak of viewership in last Summer it only managed a fraction of what New World achieved at it's peak) and is now nearly completely dead. What does this information tell you?

I'm too new to FF 14 to really criticize it's game philosophy yet because I've hardly played, I do want to point out that the death of New World had factors other than the gameplay and how much fun it might have been. New World has an issue where it kills high end graphics cards, this was in the news for a while but there was pressure not to cover it too closely from what I heard. I was one of the people who had their card fry, and when I found out what happened I even posted a picture of my card (with burn marks) on their forums. The general attitude by Amazon and the Game's developers has generally been to pretend the issue doesn't exist, or somehow isn't their fault. When I played it New World was actually pretty good, and I saw it as having a lot of long term potential. That said it killed my card, and since they have not announced fixing the problem that I have seen, nor even wanted to acknowledge there is a problem to begin with... I have not gone back.

At any rate the bottom line is that I think a lot of people wound up quitting New World when those risks of playing it became known, as many gamers have high end graphics cards they do not want to lose. Some people I know also abandoned the game, or gave up plans to try it, because of the issues other people were having.

I could be wrong, but I think that New World's popularity would increase again if Amazon was to take more responsibility for the damage they did, and fix the problem. Of course that isn't likely to happen because at this point taking that responsibility would amount to them likely needing to pay the replacement cost of a mountain of cards (I get the impression a lot of people were affected, with the crappy reporting it's hard to know how widespread it actually was). Given the way New World was sold it would probably cut into the profits substantially for Amazon to take responsibility as replacing a single graphics card would be equal to like dozens of units seeing as New World sold for like $30 and a high end graphics card can go for over a thousand dollars (or even a couple thousand dollars)

[Yuella]

Endwalker > Heavensward > Stormblood > Shadowbringers

I don't think Shadowbringers is bad. I think it's really good but the other 3 are better.